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gregW

I agree with the original poster ...I have ordered some of the router workshop plans and books from Oak Park, but I was able to get a complete set of the large guide bushings from Lee Valley for the same price that oak park wanted for just one bushing ???

The large 1-1/2 OD bushing is great for getting the required depth when using face cutters with the plunge router and templates because it allows the collet of my router to protrude below the routers baseplate...

Lee Valley template guides

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harrysin

"The large 1-1/2 OD bushing is great for getting the required depth when using face cutters with the plunge router and templates because it allows the collet of my router to protrude below the routers baseplate..."

Greg, isn't this exactly why Template Tom has been pushing the 40mm guide, only a few days ago I was doing a small project which used a 30mm guide and on the last cut there were sparks, I'm so used to using a large guide that I forgot the collet wouldn't go through the 30mm one, hence the sparks.

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bobj3

Hi Harry

Out of the routers I have only one will take on the 1 1/2" guides and that's the small Colt.
How many routers made for the states will have the 1 1/2 hole for the guides that you know about , the only one that comes to mind is the Bosch...


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harrysin

Bob, here down under we often think of ourselves as well behind the USA but you're admission makes me wonder! It's obvious that in some things and routing in particular, we are way, way ahead of you and I'm not going to duck for cover, just attempt to get Template Tom back into the forum and let him teach everyone what routing is all about!
I believe he is about to start five weeks holidays on the eastern side of Australia.

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gregW

Hi Harry,

the large template guides allow me to use a lot of cutters with my plunge router that would otherwise require a collet extension if I was using the standard size template guides (1-3/16")... yes, it's the exact same reason that Tom has been pushing the 40mm guide

I just made a simple base plate to accept the large guide bushings using a 1-3/4" forstner bit for the counterbore and a 1-1/2" bit for the through hole. I'm pretty sure that I got the idea from an old forum post by Bobj3...it's real simple to make a baseplate that will allow any router to use the large bushings



Greg

Mike

In fairness when comparing the large guide bushings developed by Oak Park to the after market copies that Lee Valley sells please make note of the fact that the actual guide portion is thicker on the Oak Park guides. You will spot this when comparing the OD/ID relationship. Having the thicker collar means it is less likely to get bent, stronger if you will. While Lee Valley offers 6 sizes, Oak Park offers 18. I don't fault anybody for wanting to save money. If you built a set of 18 guides using the 6 from Lee Valley in place of the Oak Park guides you would save about $50, and that is a fair chunk of money. Just remember that Oak Park invested their money to develop these guides, to give you 14 seasons of the Router Workshop and this forum. All those video lessons plus the forum? Suddenly $50 doesn't seem like such a big deal.

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gregW

Hi Mike,

Sorry, I meant no disrespect and I certainly wasn’t trying to take money out of Oak Parks pocket.

I do think that Bob and Rick Rosendahl are genius when it comes to using the router and I have bought some of their project plans and books…but when they show me that using a simple 2x4 clamped to my router table as a fence will give the same results as a $300 custom aluminum extruded fence…and I know that I can buy a 2x4 at the store for $2, it’s a little hard for me to justify spending $100 for one from Oak Park…but I definitely would spend $10 for one autographed by Bob and Rick

Also, I had no idea that Oak Park came up with the idea and developed brass template guide bushings, and I still don’t see how a 1-1/2” OD x 1-3/8” ID guide bushing from Oak Park is going to be stronger than one from Lee Valley, but I’ll take your word for it ....

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bobj3

Hi Mike

I SUPPORT Oak-Park when I can but in all fairness, is this the set(s) you are talking about... ?

http://us.oak-park.com/catalogue.htm...oduct=EGP30323

http://us.oak-park.com/catalogue.htm...&product=BG034

Lee Valley's set below
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...000,51208&ap=1
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As you know I have many of the Oak-Park products and they are GREAT.


But I would like to see them get there price down just a bit ,it's true the more they sale/made the price will come down and it's good for everyone in the long run I just don't want them to go out of business by missing the boat on pricing..


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