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Default Craftsman vs Craftsman: Combo 1 or Combo 2?

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I am in the market for a multi speed router for use in a table. I'd also like to add a plunge router to my shop so I'm looking at two Craftsman options:

- Model # 27683 with thumbwheel speed control

- Model 50429 with digital speed control

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I know there are a lot of PC fans in the forum (I have other PC tools and like them) and I'm not ready to spend on a Triton. I've got a Limited Edition Craftsman router from ~1993 that has been a great tool so I don't mind sticking with the brand. Any guidance is appreciated.
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do yourself a huge favor down road and get a Bosch 1617EVSPK...
Factory Reconditioned Bosch 1617EVSPK-RT 12 Amp 2.25 HP Combination Plunge and Fixed-Base Router Kit

I trust you are aware that Sears sold it's tool line and nobody knows what's going to happen...
also, now a days, parts for Sears power tools can become unobtainable...
do a search here for sears.. you'll see what I'm talking about...
FWIW.. and IIRC, Ryobie makes those routers...
to be fair.. search for Bosch 1617 too...


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they make tools that last a very long time... decades of hard heavy use..
they make tools that protect my bottom line...
I think/believe Bosch to be more an outstanding company that offer outstanding products...
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Listen to what @Stick486 says. Saving money now is going to cost you more down the road. In my opinion, you can't compare a Craftsman product from 1993 to today's Craftsman tools. Spend a little more and get yourself a router that will serve you well, and a company that will stand by it's products.
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I have to 3rd that. We constantly get new members who come here looking for parts for their Sears routers because Sears, Ereplacementparts and others don't have them. Collets in particular seem to a problem down the road and their seems to be no crossover. The fact that Sears will have a 2nd party handling their tools makes it even more uncertain. Add PC to that issue because PC was bought out by the group that owns B & D and their quality has slipped. Many of us were PC fans at one time, including me, but we stay away from them these days. DeWalt is still good, I've had good luck with Hitachi, Triton is becoming the gold standard for table mounted, and Milwaukee is still good but I've had some issues with their customer service lately. Bosch is the only one that scores high on all categories. Have a look at CPO outlets for reconditioned.
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Charles - seems odd that PC has issues but DeWalt does not - I'm pretty sure both products are owned by B & D. Also recently reported that Craftsman tools was bought by B & D as well. Not sure how that will affect their quality. Sad really, 'cause Craftsman was a respected brand years ago. In recent times, at least in southern Ontario, Sears stores have almost turned into a "bargain basement" outlet.

Sears to sell Craftsman tool brand to Stanley Black & Decker | Fox News

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Lots of people come to the site trying to locate Craftsman parts because most models are abandoned after just a few years.
The Bosch 1617 EVSPK is as good as a 2.25 hp router gets. The kit has the fixed and plunge bases. Reconditoned returns (CPO Stick mentioned), are good as new and are reasonably priced. Notice how many folks here are Bosch fans? And we don't even get a toaster.

The owners of the PC brand have lowered the quality of most of the tools they've acquired. How many times does one have to be stung by such marketing brigands before getting the message about B&D's strategy.

I have a Triton for my table (after many years happily using a Bosch 1617). The Triton is a suberb tool, but just too heavy for my old muscles to manage freehand. For that I fall back on my trusty 1617.
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Charles - seems odd that PC has issues but DeWalt does not - I'm pretty sure both products are owned by B & D. Also recently reported that Craftsman tools was bought by B & D as well. Not sure how that will affect their quality. Sad really, 'cause Craftsman was a respected brand years ago. In recent times, at least in southern Ontario, Sears stores have almost turned into a "bargain basement" outlet.

Sears to sell Craftsman tool brand to Stanley Black & Decker | Fox News
It's not uncommon for a company to buy out their primary competition and then phase them out and I suspect B & D will eventually do that. They are promoting DeWalt more than I see PC being promoted, which is basically not at all, so I personally think that the omens are obvious. It really doesn't make sense to produce two more or less equal quality lines. Just ask all the old Oldsmobile employees.
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It's not uncommon for a company to buy out their primary competition and then phase them out and I suspect B & D will eventually do that. They are promoting DeWalt more than I see PC being promoted, which is basically not at all, so I personally think that the omens are obvious. It really doesn't make sense to produce two more or less equal quality lines. Just ask all the old Oldsmobile employees.
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It's not uncommon for a company to buy out their primary competition and then phase them out and I suspect B & D will eventually do that. They are promoting DeWalt more than I see PC being promoted, which is basically not at all, so I personally think that the omens are obvious. It really doesn't make sense to produce two more or less equal quality lines. Just ask all the old Oldsmobile employees.
Correct, buying out the competition happens everyday. I'd have to agree that they promote Dewalt more than PC and I'd say that today, I'd be more likely to choose Dewalt over PC if I had to. And I'm not sure why they would promote Dewalt more, perhaps it's to appeal to the "newer" crowd, as opposed to the folks that remember the glory days of Porter-Cable.

I've had Pontiacs and Olds in the late 70s, early 80s - liked both. If I remember correctly, the problem that Olds encountered was that they were putting Chevy engines in Oldsmobiles, although I'm not a car buff, so I couldn't tell you if that would be a problem or not - maybe the problem was with false advertising.

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Many thanks, gents. Looks like the Bosch 1617 is the People's Choice ... I did research that one early on but frankly didn't like the dual wrench bit change compared to the convenience of the shaft lock I've enjoyed on my vintage Craftsman. But true, who knows what happens to the brand as Sears implodes.... I suppose I could go with the Bosch now and if C-man survives and makes a comeback I can get one then. Lord knows a man can use more than one router. Or two. Or three. Or....
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