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Old 05-26-2009, 12:11 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey There!
I’m about to start my first major piece of wood work by making an electric guitar body.

Part of the process is the creation of cavities to hold the electronics.
I've been told that the best way to make accurate and clean cavities is through the use of a router and a routing template.

Now what I don’t understand is how the template works.
(Bear with me, heh heh :P. I’m new to all this)

My limited knowledge of woodworking tells me that a router has a routing bit that rotates at high speeds in order to remove material such as wood.
I would imagine that one would use a template to guide the router bit in order to remove wood in the shape they desire.

But, what confuses me is this: what stops the router from 'routing' through the template?

Is there something I need to prevent the router from going through the template or do I just have to get templates made of a material that is resistant to routing?

I would be extremely grateful if you would be so kind as to help out a beginner like myself!
Thank you very much!
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Old 05-26-2009, 12:35 AM   #2 (permalink)
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p.s. These are the templates i was talking about:

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These shots should give you a good idea of how template routing is done. When making templates, the size of the opening is of course BIGGER than the finished routed opening because the cutter is OFFSET by the diameter of the template guide minus the diameter of the cutter. If we want to rout an opening 4" x 6" and use a 1" guide and a 1/4" cutter, the size of opening in the template will be: 5 1/2" X 7 1/2" calculated as follows:

1" - 1/4" X 2 + 4" = 5 1/2" by 1" - 1/4" X 2 + 6" = 71/2"
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HI prav1988

I do like the guide/template way but I think the pin router would be the way to go if you have the templates..

The pin router will copy the template you have without making a bigger one...to do the job..

The pin router can be bolted to your router table and the bit is on the bottom side of the stock..and template is on place with tape on the top side of the stock. they by using the right pin and the right router bit you copy the template dead on the button...

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p.s. These are the templates i was talking about:

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This template is pretty much the same, is simple to make at next to no cost and the beauty is that you can SEE exactly what you are doing with the router.
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is it possible to get smaller template guides?

i bought a ready made plastic template and i dont think it would accomodate a 30mm template guide.
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is it possible to get smaller template guides?

i bought a ready made plastic template and i dont think it would accomodate a 30mm template guide.
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is it possible to get smaller template guides?

i bought a ready made plastic template and i dont think it would accomodate a 30mm template guide.
A word of caution!!! If you are wanting the cut-out to be the exact same size as the template, you can't use template guides. These will always have an off-set, determined by the size of guide and bit you are using, and will make the cut-out smaller than the template. You might need a Top Bearing, Pattern/Flush Trim Bit #6509 as seen here.
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is it possible to get smaller template guides?

i bought a ready made plastic template and i dont think it would accomodate a 30mm template guide.

Template guides are available in a wide range of sizes, this one shown is a PC style 3/8". Now, if the size of your routed openings isn't critical and could afford to be 1/4" SMALLER than the opening in the template guide, then a 3/8" guide and 1/4" cutter will give you this but because of the small clearance, the debris will have to be constantly sucked out to prevent compaction and subsequent overheating of the cutter.
May I just add that I find it difficult attempting to help anonymous members, how about a name, coming from London won't be held against you, in fact I'm in regular contact with a member who I now call a friend, who lives in France but is a Cockney lad who once worked as a life saver at the Lido. He too is a muso and is looking forward to attending a music seminar in Italy in August. Do please keep us informed of your progress.
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