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Trying to go metric you have convinced me, help me get them

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Old 01-09-2009, 12:40 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Okay I am going to try to go metric. I found a place that will send me the Freud metric cutters.

What are the most common cutters you use with the template guides in metric?

Where do I find metric spiral bits?

I would love to buy the template guides, some straight bits and spiral bits, in metric, all from the same place, but thats looking tough right now. Anyone know a place?

I am in The USA.

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Old 01-09-2009, 07:10 AM   #2 (permalink)
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My most common metric bits are 3mm, 6mm, 10mm straight cutters the 6 and 10mm with and without bearing, also 10mm and 12mm end cutters.

This Australian link exports to the USA, where the current rate of exchange favours you in the US, they do sell quality cutters. As far as upcut spiral bits goes, I haven't been able to locate any so for dowelling, I use 1/4" and get the dowels from America!

My most used template guides are 20mm, 25mm, 30mm, 35mm and 40mm. I have many others that are only seldom used. For dovetails, I have to use a 1/2" (I'm very versatile!)

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Thanks!

Well I am not set in my ways as not to learn new tricks so I am giving it a go.

Mommy(mother in law prefers to be called mommy) gave me a gift I am not to use for bills so I decided to buy the bits and template guides.

I can get brand new Freud metric in many size straight cutters that look nice and I guess I will settle for the Trend plastic template guides that are the Euro style, though I would prefer the screw type.

I just can not find any spiral down cut or up cut in metric that are easy to get. I am sure I will find something tonight.

Thanks for the link I will check it out now.

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Harry they do have the spiral bits there up and down cut, but a little expensive, I guess they all are though.

They are 8 mm shank which I can accommodate as my Festool routers take that size, thanks again.

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Welcome to the 'Club' That is the best news I have heard on this forum for a long time. I would be interested in your change over and hope to see some postings on the results. I have tried to submit postings in the past to help others who are using the Imperial measurement but I ended up more confused than when I started. All I could do was to save my metric drawings in imperial and the numbers were not really workable. So in the future I will only answer posts that appear in metric form. So Nickao I look forward to 'chatting' on the forum in the future.
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Where do you buy?

Tom please suggest a starter set of template guide and router bit sizes and maybe two router bit types too.
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Why not just go as simple as possible, 10mm template guide with 6 mm bit and so on.

I think if you make a starter list that works with your info many will find it simpler to get on board.

Nick This is not possible as I use all sorts of bits and not all straight cutters

Is the list Harrysin laid out seem good? I mean when I follow someone else's train of thought I like to have the exact cutters and guides they have.

I could add a few more to what Harry has presented like 16mm 18mm I also have a 39mm and a 41mm that I Had made specially for a specific job I was doing. also 50mm 60mm 70mm 80mm 90mm 100mm which were used for special jobs I was doing in my cabinet making business certainly not strongly recommended that they are included in your kit.
Part 2. This has been the problem for years the guides are not always available as we have seen.


So what do your projects on the cd/dvd use?

My projects use such cutters as extended rounding over, Dovetail, Beading bit wide bottom, Beading bit fine point, Beading bit, Dish cutters , Double beading bit flat bottom, and of course the standard bits we all use the straight cutters, cutters with bearings, slotting cutters, the secret to it all is the various template guides

Offering up the dvd with all the guides and bits needed for the dvd in one package makes it awfully simple for guys to order. Or at least a list of the guides and bits needed to follow the dvd or project exactly the way you did it.

This is not possible as each one has their own brand of router and in some instances do not accept the larger sizes

Forget the conversions, I do enough math with the fractions, why not eliminate as many possibilities for error as possible?

I am not asking to convert the sizes only to use what is available for use and use them for you own projects. That is what I have been doing for years and I was not fully aware of it at the time I had to get a job done so I set out to solve the problem and whether I used an Imperial cutter or a metric cutter it did not matter.

I think one that wants to go metric needs to start thinking metric and not translating everything to imperial in their head. Just my opinion.

Yes start thinking metric but why not use an imperial cutter if it will do the job for you I did exactly that without even thinking about translating it into another measurement.

At least it is what I am going to try to do.

All I can say Nick is use what you have I was converted to metric in the 1968 and here router cutters are still in production in the imperial and readily available. I suppose all the machinery was already set up for imperial and therefore suppliers were still required to produce the imperial cutters. Again there is no great deal about going out to try and find metric cutters only. I will continue to use what I have been using for years. Straight cutters are the most commonly used cutter and yes I do agree that metric cutters are important and easier to use when using metric template guides

I started a separate thread on this going metric, maybe we should jump over there. Or move this post and the last few over there. i have a double post one here and the same one that starts the new thread.

Can someone mover it over?
No matter where this post is moved to I humble make an apology to all router users who have been following my posts for misguiding them down a path of using metric cutters when here I was using a great number of imperial cutters to produce my projects. It was never intentional and it was only brought to light when Nickao made the statement he was going to go metric. I thought I had a win at last but I was the one who was wrong from the beginning.

Use what you have and as I said purchase a good set of callipers to make the conversions to metric as it is easier to produce your templates and guides.
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I am very sorry if I have mislead anyone.

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I tried to move your post as requested and hope I got it the way you want it. If not, please send me a PM of exactly what you need and I will try to help further.
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Tom, I have been using your methods for a little while now and I know very little about metric. Any woodworker should know enough basic math to follow your plans and make a similar project using imperial. Your metric dimensions are only needed to make an exact copy. So I recommend you keep doing it the best way you can to get your point across. And I encourage others to try your methods of template guided plunge routing. I have found it to be very safe, and fun.
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