Introduction to the use of template guides

**bobj3** · 09-16-2008, 08:41 AM

Hi Harry

Ping-Pong

I got your point but that's why I made one to fit the 1 1/2" BRASS guide, I have many routers and out of them the biggest collet (chuck ) nut is 29mm O.D. and it will not hit the guide, so to say it works just fine..

I had to make my own because in the USA they don't make a 40mm guide in steel or brass...

I will say many of the routers that use the big steel guides use two screws to hold them in place.

unlike the brass ones that use the brass threads to do the same job..brass on brass.. that works like a locking device..
just like a brass fasteners do...deforming the threads just a little bit..

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Quote:

Originally Posted by harrysin

I think you may have missed my point about large size template guides which allow not only the cutter to pass through but also the CHUCK, thereby allowing a much deeper cut and no chance of sparks flying when the chuck touches the inside of a small guide. (please don't tell me that steel on brass doesn't make sparks, I know.) Lots of routologists use steel guides without any associated problems arising during decades of use.

template tom · 09-16-2008, 06:13 PM

My apology I did not submit a collection of cutters

template tom · 11-28-2008, 03:38 AM

As you are all well aware the reason why I have not been submitting postings on the forum due to the time I have spent producing my material in a DVD format. I have also completed the woodwork section of my diningroom chairs completing the polishing this week. Today I purchased the foam padding and the cover material so it will be all go to have them completed for Christmas. Look out for the final product soon. (That was Ann's bit added as she brings out the whip)

There has not been any topics posted where I could offer assistance and Harry has it well in hand. I am pleased to see that at least some are recognizing the benefits of the guides, it has taken some time as it was way back in 2004 that I made my first attempt to introduce forum members to use the template guides. I have recieved a great deal of encouragement to continue especially when Mike continues making an effort to try and introduce the 40mm guide. Today I produced "Introduction to the use of the template guides" in DVD format 816mb certainly too large to send. It runs for 17minutes.

I would be unable to re-write all my material in imperial, I did give it a go converting a few of my drawings but not only was I getting confused with the numbers that came up after the conversions I am sure if I had posted them on the forum they would have been thrown in the bin. I still say it is easier for the users to change the metric sizes to near enough imperial sizes. That is what I have to do when I purchase an American magazine only in reverse. Though there is very little material written explaining the template guide method fully both in Imperial and Metric.

I spent yesterday in one of our local High School with five Design and Technology teachers showing how the system works and introducing safe processes that can be used by the students. Working with the aid of template guides is all about safety with the router.

I hope to have details of the other DVDs very soon and I will keep you informed

Tom

**bobj3** · 11-30-2008, 11:25 AM

Hi Tom

" template guides" in DVD format 816mb certainly too large to send. It runs for 17minutes"

Think You-Tube , you can just load part of it if you want..maybe with a overlay to the new DVD that you are making...to helps sales

All you need is a overlay with a web address on the bottom of the video..or just a add it to the start and the tail end of the video..many,many view You-Tube all the time..

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Quote:

Originally Posted by template tom

As you are all well aware the reason why I have not been submitting postings on the forum due to the time I have spent producing my material in a DVD format. I have also completed the woodwork section of my diningroom chairs completing the polishing this week. Today I purchased the foam padding and the cover material so it will be all go to have them completed for Christmas. Look out for the final product soon. (That was Ann's bit added as she brings out the whip)

There has not been any topics posted where I could offer assistance and Harry has it well in hand. I am pleased to see that at least some are recognizing the benefits of the guides, it has taken some time as it was way back in 2004 that I made my first attempt to introduce forum members to use the template guides. I have recieved a great deal of encouragement to continue especially when Mike continues making an effort to try and introduce the 40mm guide. Today I produced "Introduction to the use of the template guides" in DVD format 816mb certainly too large to send. It runs for 17minutes.

I would be unable to re-write all my material in imperial, I did give it a go converting a few of my drawings but not only was I getting confused with the numbers that came up after the conversions I am sure if I had posted them on the forum they would have been thrown in the bin. I still say it is easier for the users to change the metric sizes to near enough imperial sizes. That is what I have to do when I purchase an American magazine only in reverse. Though there is very little material written explaining the template guide method fully both in Imperial and Metric.

I spent yesterday in one of our local High School with five Design and Technology teachers showing how the system works and introducing safe processes that can be used by the students. Working with the aid of template guides is all about safety with the router.

I hope to have details of the other DVDs very soon and I will keep you informed

Tom

nickao65 · 11-30-2008, 12:06 PM

It depends on the connection everyone in this area can download 816 MB in about a minute or less(if they have cable). And soon the entire country will catch up.

Heck I uploaded 16 gb in less than a couple hours in the background, the matrix films, 4 of them in HD.

Nick

nickao65 · 11-30-2008, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by template tom

Well this one topic I can comment on even though Harry has explained it all very clearly. I have one concern. Bobj3 has posted a chart ( I am not sure if this is the same chart that Ed. first posted some years ago) The reason for the chart is to see at a glance the off-set with a varety of cutters. It is quite clear to me that the cutter described is a straight cutter. and that is fine if that is all you want to do. I must say I have never had a need to use the chart as the majority of cutters I am using are anything but straight (Samples enclosed) So I have to do some calculation whether it be on my computer or simply a mathematical calculationIt was a sad day that Ed decided to call it a day as he had a lot to offer this forum.

I think I should have come in earler to make this point. As you can see from the variety of cutters posted exactly what I am referring to. It is not easy to present the answers on a forum posting, that is why I have been working madly to produce the answers on DVDs. I still have a long way to go and I have decided not to give up the challenge.
Sent off today some more cash for another two computer programs which will assist in the presentations I intend completing in the near future. This is only a small section taken from My CD=ROMs and future DVDs

Yom

The chart is useful as I would say most beginners are using straight bits to start and just want to inlay stuff. Knowing the offset relationships will help when they move to other cutters. They need to understand the process and the straight cutters are far less confusing at first. In my work I use the straight cutters extensively. When I teach someone how to use the template guides I always teach them using the straight cutters. I think it is understood that the numbers are for stragiht cutters.

I get the use of the 40mm template guide, but my 1 1/2" is fine and I work with imperial and see no need to change its not confusing at all when it's all you know. Possibly for beginners that do not know their math it is an issue.

I have also used metric extensively in all science courses in college, but for woodworking I like imperial.

It is the method, process and understanding the offset relationships that are important so I fail to see why the 40 mm bit is such a big deal. I guess it makes it simpler to figure out offsets but for me its of no consequence.

When I read Toms stuff I take the actual methods and do use them and ignore the numbers. I do not think you need to change over everything to imperial Tom, if you use metric that's fine one should really know both these days anyway. If you can use Imperial you can definitely figure out metric.

I think getting the DVD's out is more important than taking the time to publish in two different systems. I'll definitely buy your DVD's.

**Mike** · 11-30-2008, 06:14 PM

Nick, One of the reasons for using metric is the fact that it is easier to figure the offsets, but that is not the only reason. Tom produced a very nice box with lid, and the dimensions work out perfectly with metric cutters and bits. We can not match the dimensions using fractional bits and cutters; this is another good reason. Tom has pointed out that the 1-1/2" guide bushing is plenty large enough, basicly a 38 MM. One of the retailers will jump on the band wagon and produce the guides in metric.

nickao65 · 11-30-2008, 06:19 PM

Actually, I have very very few metric cutters for my Festools. With so many bits I have to stick with what I have. Which is 20 years of bits in imperial. By the time anyone jumps on the bandwagon is way to late for me to get metric cutters, but for the newer guys it may be feasible.

**harrysin** · 11-30-2008, 11:29 PM

"It is the method, process and understanding the offset relationships that are important so I fail to see why the 40 mm bit is such a big deal. I guess it makes it simpler to figure out offsets but for me its of no consequence."

I have consistently stated that there is nothing magical about the 40mm guide, it just happens be be large with all the benefits that come with a large template guide PLUS it makes off- set calculations simple mental arithmetic. I appreciate that many members have no difficulty calculating in both imperial and metric, but there are plenty who, once they have had a taste of metric, will stick to it, to each his own.

dec9023 · 12-17-2008, 11:46 PM

This forum is the greatest ! Harry, Tom, bobj3 you guys offer so much to us beginning routers. The more I search on these postings the more I am in awe of your fine craftmanship . I bow to the masters of the Router community . You guys are my idols . thanks so much for sharing your ideas ,tallents and experiance with all of us.We are fortunate to have you .

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