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**challagan** · 02-23-2007, 08:11 PM

Good luck George, be sure to post some pics!

Corey

Joe Lyddon · 03-03-2007, 06:06 PM

Tom, are you working for CMT?

This looks like your type of work... the only person I know that knows it like a science!

http://cmtusa.com/store/index1.ihtml...ccessories.jpg

template tom · 03-03-2007, 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Lyddon

Tom, are you working for CMT?

This looks like your type of work... the only person I know that knows it like a science!

http://cmtusa.com/store/index1.ihtml...ccessories.jpg

Joe you can't be serious
As a matter of interest CMT and lots of other manufacturers are unaware of the routers potential with the use of the template guides, or they would be trying to persuade you to use them and try to sell the various cutters that can be controlled by the use of the guides.
This system you elude to was developed a great number of years ago using one cutter with a guide attached, all they have done is add new templates.
Tom

Joe Lyddon · 03-03-2007, 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by template tom

Joe you can't be serious
As a matter of interest CMT and lots of other manufacturers are unaware of the routers potential with the use of the template guides, or they would be trying to persuade you to use them and try to sell the various cutters that can be controlled by the use of the guides.
This system you elude to was developed a great number of years ago using one cutter with a guide attached, all they have done is add new templates.
Tom

Tom, yes, I was serious... Did you look at the link I gave?

Some of those designs are very close to the design you showed us when you opened the "Carving" question... as soon as I saw them, I thought of you!

I noticed something else in the designs... It appears that some of the cuts are deeper and more sloping... Starting at a "point", going deeper & wider, then getting shallower coming to another "point" like a narrow leaf.
I was thinking, the only way they could do that with a Template was to have the template grooves made at various (slanted) depths... Either that or tilt the template to the workpiece to get the variable depth cuts.

Which way do you think they did it?

How would you do it?

I was surprised to see the number of templates required for the designs... I thought there would be more required than just 3-4...

Your thoughts?

template tom · 03-04-2007, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Lyddon

Tom, yes, I was serious... Did you look at the link I gave?

Joe of course I looked at the links you posted hence the reason for my answer to your post.

Some of those designs are very close to the design you showed us when you opened the "Carving" question... as soon as I saw them, I thought of you!

They might have been close but the technique was entirely different. They only cut into the face of the material not leaving the design proud.

I noticed something else in the designs... It appears that some of the cuts are deeper and more sloping... Starting at a "point", going deeper & wider, then getting shallower coming to another "point" like a narrow leaf.
I was thinking, the only way they could do that with a Template was to have the template grooves made at various (slanted) depths... Either that or tilt the template to the workpiece to get the variable depth cuts.

Joe This technique you are referring to is produced with a 'Router Carver'

Which way do you think they did it?

[COLOR=Navy]The various templates are cut out and the reason for the [/color] It appears that some of the cuts are deeper and more sloping... Starting at a "point", going deeper & wider, then getting shallower coming to another "point" like a narrow leaf. is that the templates are smaller at one end which allows the cutter to rise and then drop as it slides to the opposite end where the template cutout is wider.

How would you do it?

If I were to attempt this method I would have to purchase the special cutter with the guide attached (by the way the guide is at an angle which allows point to ride up and down depending on the width of the slot in the template. Yes I could produce the various templates required for my design that I may wish to produce.

I was surprised to see the number of templates required for the designs... I thought there would be more required than just 3-4...

Each template is designed to be used up to four times by reversing and flipping it over. I am sure you will find the cutter used in one of the sites you posted

Your thoughts?

An excellent system saving a lot of time. The carving I attempted for the very first time was using a different method.
Tom

template tom · 03-04-2007, 06:23 AM

Joe
Here is the cutter
Tom

**challagan** · 03-04-2007, 09:59 AM

Joe that is a neat system for carving. I liked the animal templates. This is very similar to the one Harry posted and was using in the template holder thread. I think that one was made by Jessada from the links Bobj gave me.

You can do Rosettes easily with the Milescraft Spiro Crafter set up. Actually if you go to the Hartville Tool website you can get the Spirocrafter and the Inlay Design set in one package. I haven't got to use it yet but I think it is pretty cool and it is around $40.00

http://www.hartvilletool.com/product/12158

Corey

Joe Lyddon · 03-04-2007, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by template tom

An excellent system saving a lot of time. The carving I attempted for the very first time was using a different method.
Tom

Hi Tom,

Well, that's sure a sneaky approach... clever...

Looks very expensive too!

I didn't notice that they didn't dig out around the design to make it 'proud'... good observation!

I think I'd rather use your approach instead!

Thank you... I hope you didn't think I was kidding / joshing / pulling your tail?

Joe Lyddon · 03-04-2007, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by challagan

Joe that is a neat system for carving. I liked the animal templates. This is very similar to the one Harry posted and was using in the template holder thread. I think that one was made by Jessada from the links Bobj gave me.

You can do Rosettes easily with the Milescraft Spiro Crafter set up. Actually if you go to the Hartville Tool website you can get the Spirocrafter and the Inlay Design set in one package. I haven't got to use it yet but I think it is pretty cool and it is around $40.00

http://www.hartvilletool.com/product/12158

Corey

Hi Corey,

Yes, I've seen the rosette making jigs... where they tilt the template to the workpiece to control the depth as a simple "V" bit is used.

I really didn't think they would do that for these type of designs.

They used a tapered guide instead using the width of the cut into the template instead... sneaky.

template tom · 03-20-2007, 08:24 AM

Hi all
It is now over a month since the new thread 'Guide bushes and Templates' was introduced to the forum.There has been a mixed re-action to the use of the guides with some willing to give them a go and others using the method they have been using for years.
I was prepared to answer any questions on the use of the guides and hopefully I have answered the questions put forward.
Like all processes or new techniques we should be willing to at least try before making up our minds that it is no good, or what I have been doing for years is better.
I do apologize for my absence on the forum but I do look in on this thread to see if I can be of help. I have been exceptionally busy working in my workshop. Early on I posted some pics of Chair making at least the back legs of the chair. I have been working on the back rails routing from 90mm (3-1/2") x 40mm (1-1/2" approx) These rails are curved the depth of the material front and back, and I have not found a method that will produce the necessary shapes better than the method I have been using. I did not use the template guides but I used the ski mode. I must take some pics to illustrate Found a pic from a previous session
Tom

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challagan Retired Moderator Supreme Forum King Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Iowa Posts: 4,002 View challagan's Gallery	Report This Post! Good luck George, be sure to post some pics! Corey __________________ My Carving Website: The Iowa Woodcarver http://iowacarver.tripod.com/ My Shop Website - Woodshop 51503 http://woodshop51503.tripod.com/
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03-04-2007, 09:59 AM	#27
challagan Retired Moderator Supreme Forum King Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Iowa Posts: 4,002 View challagan's Gallery	Report This Post! Joe that is a neat system for carving. I liked the animal templates. This is very similar to the one Harry posted and was using in the template holder thread. I think that one was made by Jessada from the links Bobj gave me. You can do Rosettes easily with the Milescraft Spiro Crafter set up. Actually if you go to the Hartville Tool website you can get the Spirocrafter and the Inlay Design set in one package. I haven't got to use it yet but I think it is pretty cool and it is around $40.00 http://www.hartvilletool.com/product/12158 Corey __________________ My Carving Website: The Iowa Woodcarver http://iowacarver.tripod.com/ My Shop Website - Woodshop 51503 http://woodshop51503.tripod.com/ Last edited by challagan; 03-04-2007 at 12:33 PM.
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template tom Registered User Forum King Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 536 View template tom's Gallery	Report This Post! Hi all It is now over a month since the new thread 'Guide bushes and Templates' was introduced to the forum.There has been a mixed re-action to the use of the guides with some willing to give them a go and others using the method they have been using for years. I was prepared to answer any questions on the use of the guides and hopefully I have answered the questions put forward. Like all processes or new techniques we should be willing to at least try before making up our minds that it is no good, or what I have been doing for years is better. I do apologize for my absence on the forum but I do look in on this thread to see if I can be of help. I have been exceptionally busy working in my workshop. Early on I posted some pics of Chair making at least the back legs of the chair. I have been working on the back rails routing from 90mm (3-1/2") x 40mm (1-1/2" approx) These rails are curved the depth of the material front and back, and I have not found a method that will produce the necessary shapes better than the method I have been using. I did not use the template guides but I used the ski mode. I must take some pics to illustrate Found a pic from a previous session Tom Attached Thumbnails
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