Router Forums

Register Now!

It appears that you aren't a registered member, click below to instantly register and become a member of the RouterForums.com Community!

Register Now!

** Registration removes majority of the website advertisements **


Go Back   Router Forums > Routers > Guide Bushings and Templates

Rate This Thread - Guide bushing identification.

New Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-06-2005, 02:40 PM   #1
Mike
Senior Moderator
Supreme Forum King
 
Mike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Detroit, Michigan USA
Posts: 2,942
Mike has disabled reputation

Send a message via AIM to Mike Send a message via Yahoo to Mike Send a message via Skype™ to Mike
Default Guide bushing identification

Here is a quick reference to different types of guide bushings.

Top left: Old style Bosch. Installed by removing the bottom plate of the router.
Bottom left: New Quick change style Bosch. Installed by dropping into place and sliding a lever. Note the quick change adapter with a PC style bushing installed.
Bottom center: Typical Porter Cable base plate with bushing installed.
Bottom near right: PC style bushing.
Bottom far right: Rousseau mounting plate installation bushing. Note the removeable top ring locked in place with an allen screw. Guided by the template with a straight cutting bit installed; removes the main cut out for the router. Removing the top ring reveals a smaller guide used for cutting the lip that supports the plate.
Top right: Typical Craftsman router with guide bushing. Bushing is plastic and held in place with 3 screws.
Attached Thumbnails
guide-bushing-identification-guide-bushings.jpg  
__________________
Mike

Last edited by Mike; 03-06-2005 at 02:44 PM.
Mike is offline   Top - Reply with Quote
Alt Sponsor Post
Advertising


Alt Sponsored Links



__________________
This advertising will not be shown in this way to registered members.
Register your free account today and become a member on Router Forums
   
Old 03-09-2005, 03:45 PM   #2
template tom
Registered User
Forum King
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 507
template tom is on a distinguished road

Default

Mike
Template guides listed will restrict the size of the cutter that can be used There is a need to purchase a 40mm Guide which will give a greater range of cutters that can be used and not only straight cutters.
Tom
template tom is offline   Top - Reply with Quote
Old 03-09-2005, 07:38 PM   #3
template tom
Registered User
Forum King
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 507
template tom is on a distinguished road

Default

Mike has kindly emailed me to insert a sample of what I mean. In this instance the guide is 40mm and the cutter is 25mm in diameter
Tom
Attached Thumbnails
guide-bushing-identification-40-guide-large-cutter.jpg  
template tom is offline   Top - Reply with Quote
Old 09-20-2006, 06:02 PM   #4
Mike
Senior Moderator
Supreme Forum King
 
Mike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Detroit, Michigan USA
Posts: 2,942
Mike has disabled reputation

Send a message via AIM to Mike Send a message via Yahoo to Mike Send a message via Skype™ to Mike
Default

At this time 40mm guide bushings are still not available in North America.
__________________
Mike
Mike is offline   Top - Reply with Quote
Old 09-27-2006, 09:32 AM   #5
Joe Lyddon
Banned
Supreme Forum King
 
Joe Lyddon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Alta Loma, CA USA
Posts: 2,168
Joe Lyddon is on a distinguished road

Default

Looks like 40mm is about 1 5/8"...

I don't think I've seen one that large!!

Now what?!
Joe Lyddon is offline   Top - Reply with Quote
Old 11-16-2006, 09:53 AM   #6
Mike
Senior Moderator
Supreme Forum King
 
Mike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Detroit, Michigan USA
Posts: 2,942
Mike has disabled reputation

Send a message via AIM to Mike Send a message via Yahoo to Mike Send a message via Skype™ to Mike
Default

The only way to get the 40 MM guide bushing in North America is to order it and the matching base plate from Trend in the U.K. I have asked Trend N.A. to start carrying this product but so far no response.
__________________
Mike
Mike is offline   Top - Reply with Quote
Old 01-09-2007, 04:42 PM   #7
template tom
Registered User
Forum King
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 507
template tom is on a distinguished road

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by aniceone2hold
The only way to get the 40 MM guide bushing in North America is to order it and the matching base plate from Trend in the U.K. I have asked Trend N.A. to start carrying this product but so far no response.
Mike here is the reply I got from Trend

Dear Tom

Thanks for the follow up email. The 40mm guide bush is quite a slow mover in the UK which is a shame, as it is very useful.

I will mention you comment about the 40mm guide bush and it uses for the USA market to our USA office.

Thank you

Regards


Neil McMillan
Technical Director

Trend Machinery & Cutting Tools Ltd
Odhams Trading Estate, St. Albans Road, Watford, Herts, WD24 7TR England

( Direct Tel +44 (0)1923 212928
& Direct Fax +44 (0)1923 228656
* mcmillann@trendm.co.uk
ü www.trendmachinery.co.uk
template tom is offline   Top - Reply with Quote
Old 01-09-2007, 05:28 PM   #8
bobj3
Forum Contributer
Supreme Forum King
 
bobj3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Colorado U.S.A.
Posts: 6,828
bobj3 is a jewel in the roughbobj3 is a jewel in the roughbobj3 is a jewel in the rough

Default

Hi Tom

What is the big deal with a 40mm brass guide when most routers can't use it without a new base plate, I see Bob & Rick are using 1 1/2" one on some of the fixtures, what can be done with one that is 40mm (1 5/8" ) that you can't do with one that's 1 1/2" I still use the 1" one and it works for most of the fixtures I make or use.

Most bits that get that big should not be used on a plunge/hand held router anyway I think or I'm I wrong , most the ads I see, say to be used on a table router Only when the big gets
1 1/2" bigger, that's alot of steel spining under the router plate and if it gets hung up best hold on.

But I'm just asking
Bj
__________________
Workshop Projects
Router Tables plans FREE, plus more
http://www.absolutelyfreeplans.com/W...p_projects.htm

RW Router Tip Archive
www.routerworkshop.com/router_tip_glossary.html

Last edited by bobj3; 01-09-2007 at 05:37 PM.
bobj3 is offline   Top - Reply with Quote
Old 01-09-2007, 06:31 PM   #9
template tom
Registered User
Forum King
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 507
template tom is on a distinguished road

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bobj3
Hi Tom

What is the big deal with a 40mm brass guide when most routers can't use it without a new base plate, I see Bob & Rick are using 1 1/2" one on some of the fixtures, what can be done with one that is 40mm (1 5/8" ) that you can't do with one that's 1 1/2" I still use the 1" one and it works for most of the fixtures I make or use.

Most bits that get that big should not be used on a plunge/hand held router anyway I think or I'm I wrong , most the ads I see, say to be used on a table router Only when the big gets
1 1/2" bigger, that's alot of steel spining under the router plate and if it gets hung up best hold on.

But I'm just asking
Bj
Thanks Bob for asking the questions:
To start all my guides are steel though I think brass is better. Most routers are unable to use 40mm without a new base plate (Except Makita and Hitachi in Australia.
I agree there is very little difference in the two guides you mentioned above and I am sure I could have used the smaller one but the 40mm guide is a regular size here in Australia.
You mention that you manage to complete all your projects or processes with the 1" (25mm) guide One of the reasons for the 40mm is there is a greater number of cutters that can be used 1" will restrict the number.
Another reason for the 40mm guide is that the cutter is usually visible when doing the process. (I would use the 40mm guide with the 2-6mm cutters not just for the larger cutters)
There is less chance of the cutter overheating say a 12mm cutter in a 16mm guide. also the 'swarf' will dissipate more readily using the 40mm.
Finally from a safety point of view: when using small cutters 1/4" they are usually short in length therefore sometimes difficult to reach the required depth because the collet (Chuck) will rub on the top of the guide wherar the 40mm guide will allow the chuck to penetrate through with safety.
Most larger cutters should not be used in a router without variable speed control
Tom
Thanks again for asking the questions
template tom is offline   Top - Reply with Quote
Old 01-09-2007, 07:18 PM   #10
bobj3
Forum Contributer
Supreme Forum King
 
bobj3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Colorado U.S.A.
Posts: 6,828
bobj3 is a jewel in the roughbobj3 is a jewel in the roughbobj3 is a jewel in the rough

Default

Thanks Tom that helped

Most of the routers I have the collet (chuck) nuts are 22mm and some are 24mm, do you have routers that have collet nuts bigger than that ,if so what kind. ?

One more thing do you use 1 1/2" bits or bigger in your hand held router with a speed control, if so is it safe ?, with a steel guide or do you use the bearing on the bit ? as a guide .
I have not had the guts to try it,even at low speeds no pain no grain BUT this one I will let others try it I think

Thanks
Bj
__________________
Workshop Projects
Router Tables plans FREE, plus more
http://www.absolutelyfreeplans.com/W...p_projects.htm

RW Router Tip Archive
www.routerworkshop.com/router_tip_glossary.html

Last edited by bobj3; 01-09-2007 at 09:42 PM.
bobj3 is offline   Top - Reply with Quote
New Reply

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
guide bushing size chart mharwell01 Guide Bushings and Templates 16 03-19-2008 07:32 PM
Inlay Guide Bushing and base plate Doyle Portable Routing 3 06-07-2007 09:25 PM
Guide Bushing Height??? english Jigs and Fixtures 10 01-22-2006 05:13 PM
Guide Bushing Calculations tdinovo Portable Routing 5 10-29-2005 11:17 PM


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.2.0
Copyright 2007 RouterForums.com

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103