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mowerhappy1 · 03-31-2006, 11:48 AM

New to Forum-
Retired Aircraft Hydraulic Mechanic-
Have had a Shopsmith Mark Five for over 20 years
Have a 35 year old Delta 10 inch table saw-
Avid wood woodworker-
Like to work with wood, just a steep learning curve.

Question?

Has anyone used the router table insert as a pattern to make a jig to make other table inserts to fit the same opening?

Dr.Zook · 03-31-2006, 06:44 PM

Welcome mowerhappy1 to the router forums.

**Mark** · 03-31-2006, 11:06 PM

welcome to the forums mower, look forward to discussing routers with you!

reible · 04-01-2006, 01:01 AM

Welcome!

Hi glad to have you here!

I too have had a shopsmith a long while... nice to hear from others that enjoy woodworking and using tools.

This is where I mention that another good shopsmith site is at:
www.ssug.org
if you haven't checked it out do so, a lot of good people here and there.

To answer your questing.... yes you can use the hole cut-out in the table with other tools by way of making a "router plate" like holder. I have seen some company with a couple of ideas, one was the porter cable portable drum sander and another was a "kreg jig" sort of arrangement. I don't recall the people doing that but it has been done. I own a old sears table that was designed to take a router or a saber saw...

Ed

mowerhappy1 · 04-01-2006, 10:31 PM

Let me try again.

I have a 11" X 11" table insert for my router. I want to use that to make a internal cut out and then use that internal cut out as a jig to then make the recess for that 11' x 11" table insert. Has any one ever done this?

labric · 04-01-2006, 11:00 PM

Mowerhappy

You can cut a new female template using your base base as a pattern, 3/4 " O.D. brass quide bushing, and a 3/8" spiral bit.

Once completed you can use the new female template with the same guide bushing and same router bit to make a new base plate, which should be the same size as your original base plate.

The size of the template guide bushing and bit is not important only that you use the same bushing and bit for both operations.

If you keep your template for future use, be sure to mark on it, the guide bushing size and router bit size used, so that you can replicate the same later.

Hope this answers your query.

Ric

mowerhappy1 · 04-02-2006, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by labric

Mowerhappy

You can cut a new female template using your base base as a pattern, 3/4 " O.D. brass quide bushing, and a 3/8" spiral bit.

Once completed you can use the new female template with the same guide bushing and same router bit to make a new base plate, which should be the same size as your original base plate.

The size of the template guide bushing and bit is not important only that you use the same bushing and bit for both operations.

If you keep your template for future use, be sure to mark on it, the guide bushing size and router bit size used, so that you can replicate the same later.

Hope this answers your query.

Ric

Ric,
Thank you for your reply.
That will allow me to duplicate my baseplate, that is great, and also cut the exact size opening to fit the baseplate into.

Now, how do I cut the recess in my 3/4 inch table top to accept the baseplate and then cut rabbit and then the opening for the router to pass through?
Any ideas?

Thanks

labric · 04-02-2006, 11:12 PM

Mowerhappy

Hold off cutting into your table just yet!!!

The template you made to make a new baseplate may or may not be the same as you would use to cut a recess into your table.

Before you start cutting, you need to take inventory of what router bits you have and what guide bushings and bearings you will need and the size of your template.

In my case, I made a female template the same size as my base Oak Park base plate, then used a 1/4" straight bit or 1/4" spiral bit in my plunge router with a 1" template guide bushing to cut a ** 10-3/16" x 10-3/16" ** hole through my table.

I then used a 1 1/4" dia. x 3/8 " rabbeting bit ( slot cutter ) with a 1/2" bearing and rabbetted the top 1/4 " deep. This left me a 3/8" wide x 1/4 " deep recess into which the Oak Park plate fits.

The resulting hole in the table top is 10-15/16" x 10-15/16" the same size as the Oak Park plate plus +/- 1/16".

Shop Tip: The Oak Park plate was a little tight in the corners, however with the aid of my disc sander, I rounded the corners to suit the routered hole.

If you or others need more help with making a female template, I can post some pictures and provide more detail as to how this was accomplished and recreate my steps in making the cutout.

So, before you start, take stock of what you have to work with and see if it compares to what I used, and if not the same, then advise. What is the inside dimensions of your female template??

If you have already made a cut into you table top the same size as the base plate, let me know, and I will come up with another solution, if need be.

Ric

reible · 04-02-2006, 11:34 PM

Hi,

It would be a good idea if this moved to one of the other sections as it would be easier to find there in the future........ for other to find that is....

But, while we are talking about this take a look at the router tip done by Bob and Rick at:
http://www.routerworkshop.com/recesstemplate.html
They have pictures and a good description of how to do it (two methods).

Ed

**Kevin** · 04-03-2006, 04:30 AM

Hello and welcome to the forums!

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reible Registered User Supreme Forum King Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,703 View reible's Gallery	Welcome! Hi glad to have you here! I too have had a shopsmith a long while... nice to hear from others that enjoy woodworking and using tools. This is where I mention that another good shopsmith site is at: www.ssug.org if you haven't checked it out do so, a lot of good people here and there. To answer your questing.... yes you can use the hole cut-out in the table with other tools by way of making a "router plate" like holder. I have seen some company with a couple of ideas, one was the porter cable portable drum sander and another was a "kreg jig" sort of arrangement. I don't recall the people doing that but it has been done. I own a old sears table that was designed to take a router or a saber saw... Ed Last edited by reible; 07-15-2006 at 01:11 AM.
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mowerhappy1 Registered User Jr. Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 16 View mowerhappy1's Gallery	Let me try again. I have a 11" X 11" table insert for my router. I want to use that to make a internal cut out and then use that internal cut out as a jig to then make the recess for that 11' x 11" table insert. Has any one ever done this?
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labric Registered User Sr. Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 70 View labric's Gallery	Mowerhappy You can cut a new female template using your base base as a pattern, 3/4 " O.D. brass quide bushing, and a 3/8" spiral bit. Once completed you can use the new female template with the same guide bushing and same router bit to make a new base plate, which should be the same size as your original base plate. The size of the template guide bushing and bit is not important only that you use the same bushing and bit for both operations. If you keep your template for future use, be sure to mark on it, the guide bushing size and router bit size used, so that you can replicate the same later. Hope this answers your query. Ric __________________ Start Safe!!! Finish Safe !!!
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labric Registered User Sr. Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 70 View labric's Gallery	Mowerhappy Hold off cutting into your table just yet!!! The template you made to make a new baseplate may or may not be the same as you would use to cut a recess into your table. Before you start cutting, you need to take inventory of what router bits you have and what guide bushings and bearings you will need and the size of your template. In my case, I made a female template the same size as my base Oak Park base plate, then used a 1/4" straight bit or 1/4" spiral bit in my plunge router with a 1" template guide bushing to cut a 10-3/16" x 10-3/16" hole through my table. I then used a 1 1/4" dia. x 3/8 " rabbeting bit ( slot cutter ) with a 1/2" bearing and rabbetted the top 1/4 " deep. This left me a 3/8" wide x 1/4 " deep recess into which the Oak Park plate fits. The resulting hole in the table top is 10-15/16" x 10-15/16" the same size as the Oak Park plate plus +/- 1/16". Shop Tip: The Oak Park plate was a little tight in the corners, however with the aid of my disc sander, I rounded the corners to suit the routered hole. If you or others need more help with making a female template, I can post some pictures and provide more detail as to how this was accomplished and recreate my steps in making the cutout. So, before you start, take stock of what you have to work with and see if it compares to what I used, and if not the same, then advise. What is the inside dimensions of your female template?? If you have already made a cut into you table top the same size as the base plate, let me know, and I will come up with another solution, if need be. Ric __________________ Start Safe!!! Finish Safe !!! Last edited by labric; 04-03-2006 at 01:01 PM. Reason: Brain freeze - measured wrong side of cutout
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reible Registered User Supreme Forum King Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,703 View reible's Gallery	Hi, It would be a good idea if this moved to one of the other sections as it would be easier to find there in the future........ for other to find that is.... But, while we are talking about this take a look at the router tip done by Bob and Rick at: http://www.routerworkshop.com/recesstemplate.html They have pictures and a good description of how to do it (two methods). Ed Last edited by reible; 07-15-2006 at 01:05 AM.
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