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I am building my own kitchen cabinets very soon, so I have been out in the shop doing upgrades and ramping up to start this. I am going to build a outfeed table/assembly bench. One obvious part that I would like to design into this is some sort of right angle (square) jig that I can basically set into the table to make the face frame assembly easier and faster. Does anyone have any ideas of what they have done? I have a very small shop and making something double/triple the use is very inviting (as long as it doesn't make something else harder etc)

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Ryan without seeing what you have for an outfeed table that's hard to say. You have to watch that one function doesn't impact other functions so if you do it it is likely something that should attach with pegs or screws so as to be removable when not needed. Sometimes it is better to take something like that and build it so that it clamps to your table instead so that it is easily removable and doesn't require alterations to your outfeed. Also, by mounting it on a scrap of plywood you will not be risking getting a bunch of glue on your table if you also plan on gluing the joints, which I would probably do.

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+1 I'm with Cherryville on this...screw your square (couple of sticks) on a piece of plywood rather then your outfeed table...you can always clamp the plywood to the table...might also make it easier to store and when you're finished with your cabinets you can take it apart...it might be a single function jig for now (depending on your other projects) but not at all expensive

You'll be able to use it for the face frame and the carcass...

I had made myself a folding triangle shaped frame but found it not to be as repeatable as I would like...back in the spares bucket...

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Good point on making it just clamp down. I am actually building the table yet, actually in design phase yet so I am totally open to ideas
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I bought a Kreg clamping table (https://www.kregtool.com/store/c30/c...4/clamp-table/) on an Amazon Warehouse deal about 18 months ago. Works like a champ for what it is. The little black squaring guides are self-squaring in the track, and serve to square the assembly, but easy to move/remove so the top can be a simple flat surface. The downside to the production table is that it is small for a face frame, and if bigger--would have more function if there were 2 more track pieces making an E shaped configuration.

I've got an office conference table that I can remove the top from, replace that with 3/4" MDF, lay in my e-shaped track, infill with 3/4" MDF. Replace the current homemade base with one a little shorter so it matches up to my table saw height use it for outfeed/assembly. Type "kreg assembly table plan" into your browser, and a lot of hits come up. I'm planning on 30" x 72" plus or minus. No way i'd want to have to lift/store a top that size--so it would have to do double duty. Kreg sells the track and clamp blocks, but I've got a fair amount of 80/20 track that I may be able to use (just haven't tried the clamp blocks in it--would need to fit with no slop).

Thanks for the reminder on yet another shop project!!
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I am building my own kitchen cabinets very soon, so I have been out in the shop doing upgrades and ramping up to start this. I am going to build a outfeed table/assembly bench. One obvious part that I would like to design into this is some sort of right angle (square) jig that I can basically set into the table to make the face frame assembly easier and faster. Does anyone have any ideas of what they have done? I have a very small shop and making something double/triple the use is very inviting (as long as it doesn't make something else harder etc)

Thanks for your help!
Building kitchen cabinets in a small shop isn't going to be an easy job. I would think you need to be very well organized plus have a good plan and work flow.

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Building kitchen cabinets in a small shop isn't going to be an easy job. I would think you need to be very well organized plus have a good plan and work flow.
+1 What Don said.

Browse through my threads I have started. I have built numerous kitchen cabinets in a one car garage. Believe me, you need to have a plan.

Here is my face frame assembly jig.
http://www.routerforums.com/jigs-fix...embly-jig.html

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I guess I have been building cabinet all wrong, I just use pocket hole screws on face frames no glue no squareing table, if all your frames pieces are cut correctly when you screw it together it will be square. When you mount the frames to the cabinet where is it going to go?
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[QUOTE=MT Stringer;1469186]+1
Here is my face frame assembly jig.
http://www.routerforums.com/jigs-fix...embly-jig.html

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Mike........I looked at your linked face frame jig, and you've done it again. You've designed a great jig, and your sketchup talents make it so easy to understand. Another of your ideas I have saved in the jigs folder on my computer. Thanks!
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I like Mikes jig too, but have used the Kreg Klamp Table and it works quite well, so it's a good possibility if you don't want to make it yourself, but they do look and work differently
I have used a friend's Kreg Table. I haven't build Mike's design yet, but I do like it. Maybe someday soon I'll be making his design.

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