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**Mike** · 05-11-2006, 07:14 PM

I can not help but laugh when I hear about people breaking bits and then blaming it on the tool design. Power tools are not for everyone. Using any tool requires knowledge of the proper methods for safe operation. There is a learning curve as well. Applying too much sideways force on a small diameter bit will cause it to break. This holds true for drill bits as well as Zip bits. Zip bits make very clean shearing cuts. Only a tiny amount of material is removed at a time. As with any cutting tool you need to let the cutting surface perform its task and not try to force it along.

Hamlin · 05-11-2006, 07:22 PM

One of the things I've learned long ago, (grand dad taught me this lesson), NEVER force your tool to do it's job. Only leads to broken tools, and or injuries. A roto-zip does sound like the best choice here. If you do choose to use a sawzall, go with a cordless one. If you are working upside down, you don't want to be fighting with a cord being in the way.

Ken

**bobj3** · 05-11-2006, 07:58 PM

Thanks Mike for the info

I have used power tools for about 50 years and I can tell when I run into bad design one like the Roto-Zip tool.
Like most tool user, I buy one now and than that just sucks...
Someone once said there is a sucker born every day and they got me on this one and many others I'm sure.
But this is just my 2 cents, if you like the tool use it, I don't like buying bits that snap like pencil lead..
I own a company that sold used tools like Snap-On,Craftsman and many others and I have seen many ,many ,many power tools over the years, I think I will just let this one drop it could go on for every.

But I do thank you for the info

have a good one.

Bj

**Mike** · 05-11-2006, 10:18 PM

Bj, I respect your right to dislike a tool. RotoZip is so poorly designed that almost EVERY power tool manufacturer has copied / created their own version of a rotary saw. All of these tools use the same type's of bits: Guidepoint for drywall, Sabercut for wood, carbide for ceramic tile. Bosch, Porter Cable, DeWalt, Makita and Milwaukee are not in the habit of building or selling tools that do not work.

fibertech · 05-11-2006, 10:29 PM

The hook is their infomercial. That tool looks like it cut cut anything. They must really be cutting butter. What a slick ad. -Derek

**bobj3** · 05-11-2006, 10:47 PM

I Like Mike hahahahaha
If you go fishing and the guy next to is pulling in the fish left and right you ask him what are you using.?
O I made this tool for 10.oo bucks and I'm selling it for 70.oo and I'm pulling in fish by the buckets, and you say I think I will make one too can't hurt maybe I will a get a fish or two .

The buck rules and the ones with the buck makes the rules.

Have a good one

05-11-2006, 07:14 PM	#11
Mike Senior Moderator Supreme Forum King Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Detroit, Michigan USA Posts: 3,380 View Mike's Gallery	Report This Post! I can not help but laugh when I hear about people breaking bits and then blaming it on the tool design. Power tools are not for everyone. Using any tool requires knowledge of the proper methods for safe operation. There is a learning curve as well. Applying too much sideways force on a small diameter bit will cause it to break. This holds true for drill bits as well as Zip bits. Zip bits make very clean shearing cuts. Only a tiny amount of material is removed at a time. As with any cutting tool you need to let the cutting surface perform its task and not try to force it along. __________________ Mike Please edit your profile with a name and location so we can better assist you.
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05-11-2006, 07:22 PM	#12
Hamlin Registered User Supreme Forum King Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Baldwin City, KS First Name: Ken Posts: 1,576 View Hamlin's Gallery	Report This Post! One of the things I've learned long ago, (grand dad taught me this lesson), NEVER force your tool to do it's job. Only leads to broken tools, and or injuries. A roto-zip does sound like the best choice here. If you do choose to use a sawzall, go with a cordless one. If you are working upside down, you don't want to be fighting with a cord being in the way. Ken
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bobj3 Forum Contributer Supreme Forum King Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Littleton,Colorado U.S.A. Posts: 8,305 View bobj3's Gallery	Report This Post! Thanks Mike for the info I have used power tools for about 50 years and I can tell when I run into bad design one like the Roto-Zip tool. Like most tool user, I buy one now and than that just sucks... Someone once said there is a sucker born every day and they got me on this one and many others I'm sure. But this is just my 2 cents, if you like the tool use it, I don't like buying bits that snap like pencil lead.. I own a company that sold used tools like Snap-On,Craftsman and many others and I have seen many ,many ,many power tools over the years, I think I will just let this one drop it could go on for every. But I do thank you for the info have a good one. Bj __________________ PodCast videos RWS on YouTube http://www.routerforums.com/86898-post1.html Besure and click on the Up Arrow key ▲ on the Youtube video, you can select other youtube videos on router tables http://www.woodworkingonline.com/?s=dovetail Machine Cut ▼ http://www.woodworkingonline.com/200...cut-dovetails/ http://www.woodworkingonline.com/woo...podcast-store/ http://www.woodshopdemos.com/menu2.htm Bob J. Last edited by bobj3; 05-11-2006 at 09:26 PM.
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05-11-2006, 10:18 PM	#14
Mike Senior Moderator Supreme Forum King Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Detroit, Michigan USA Posts: 3,380 View Mike's Gallery	Report This Post! Bj, I respect your right to dislike a tool. RotoZip is so poorly designed that almost EVERY power tool manufacturer has copied / created their own version of a rotary saw. All of these tools use the same type's of bits: Guidepoint for drywall, Sabercut for wood, carbide for ceramic tile. Bosch, Porter Cable, DeWalt, Makita and Milwaukee are not in the habit of building or selling tools that do not work. __________________ Mike Please edit your profile with a name and location so we can better assist you.
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05-11-2006, 10:29 PM	#15
fibertech Registered User Forum Geek Join Date: May 2005 Location: Everett, WA USA Posts: 334 View fibertech's Gallery	Report This Post! The hook is their infomercial. That tool looks like it cut cut anything. They must really be cutting butter. What a slick ad. -Derek
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05-11-2006, 10:47 PM	#16
bobj3 Forum Contributer Supreme Forum King Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Littleton,Colorado U.S.A. Posts: 8,305 View bobj3's Gallery	Report This Post! I Like Mike hahahahaha If you go fishing and the guy next to is pulling in the fish left and right you ask him what are you using.? O I made this tool for 10.oo bucks and I'm selling it for 70.oo and I'm pulling in fish by the buckets, and you say I think I will make one too can't hurt maybe I will a get a fish or two . The buck rules and the ones with the buck makes the rules. Have a good one __________________ PodCast videos RWS on YouTube http://www.routerforums.com/86898-post1.html Besure and click on the Up Arrow key ▲ on the Youtube video, you can select other youtube videos on router tables http://www.woodworkingonline.com/?s=dovetail Machine Cut ▼ http://www.woodworkingonline.com/200...cut-dovetails/ http://www.woodworkingonline.com/woo...podcast-store/ http://www.woodshopdemos.com/menu2.htm Bob J.
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