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reible · 05-15-2006, 10:47 PM

Hi,

First take a look at this:
http://woodbutcher.net/nrmstools.htm

There is a very interesting list of the New Yankee Workshop (Norm) tools and associated lists of shows.

I have just "won" an "oak-park" jig and was thinking "Hey it would be cool to see all the show this was used in."

So has anyone ever taken the time to make such a list???

-OR-

Anyone want to make such a list or help do so.... especially some one who has all or most of the infomation on tape??? anyone, anyone at all??? I'd be willing to do a few...

Ed

del schisler · 05-16-2006, 09:35 AM

here is a little jig i used for pos. my legs on the circle tables that i make it is for 3 legs and 4 legs i just put it on the circle and mark the pos. for eather just fast what i used to set this up was a clock dial i used to mfd. clock's and i has some dial's left over and thought what a simple set up a mark at 12 and 4 and 8 or 6 and 10 and 2 which ever you want to use than for the 4 leg set up of course 12 and 3 and 6 and 9 it is easy to grab the jig and mark the leg pos. it is close enough for gov. work thanks for looking del schisler also the last of the tables i have beat this one enough

reible · 05-16-2006, 06:31 PM

OK I guess I did not explain this concept well enough. Let me try again.

Let us say that we pick one of the jigs that I have seen used a lot by the router guys, the "box joint jig". As we know they have used this on a lot of show but which ones??? And we also know that they use the spacer fence idea to do some dovetail work, which show are those??

What I was looking for was some thing like the web page that I ask you to look at. In this case you would look at box joint jig and see it was used to make box joints in 1701 and in 5634 and in 7865 (these are all made up numbers for this example only).

Having this information one could then look in your personal video library, the woodwooking channel or perhaps buy the show from oak-park if you were interested in how it was used that time.

In my case I would be interested in seeing how they have used the miter gauge system. I have seen it used a few times but I do not recall what show or what projects. So the only way I could find some of them would be to look through all the tapes I have....... (I personal have not even seen half the shows so my library is not very complete).

If I did my math right there are some 183 episodes! So if we had enough interest, by enough people we could get all the shows watched (provideing amoung the group someone has a tape of each and every show) When watching the tapes they would take notes.... Hitachi router, circle jig, raised panel jig, router tip (how to bevel cut) and anything else note worthy (yellow jackets, Mark was in the show, guest appearances etc.).

Clear as mud this time??

Ed

Gilbear · 05-16-2006, 07:12 PM

Some of the clearest mud I've seen yet, Ed!

OK, all seriousness aside ... it makes sense to me and would be a great resource ... more or less a topical index of jigs/procedures used on the various RWS shows? Would that be another way of putting it?

Unfortunately, I don't have any library of shows recorded but if I could help as a respository or database compiler/sorter/clerk I'd be more than willing ....

but it does beg the question -

If I was producing a show, I'd probably have some sort of index or at least storyboards/cartoons/outlines set-up already that might be extremely usefull in helping to do what you're considering (or my promoters would be getting very edgey) - any input from Bob and Rick, or Mark, or other folks involved in the actual production? This could be a very helpfull thing to your loyal watchers and also a possible source of free back-door marketing for show episodes. At the very least, free clerical help. What say ye?

As an aside, there was a suggestion to do some similar catlouging of threads and tips on this forum that just kind of splattered on the sidewalk ... I don't want to derail this topic onto something else ... I'm just suggesting that proferred help may be a little sparse - we all like to be nourished - but we also like free meals - a condition of being human I suppose - at any rate, If I can be of service, count me in. I may not have a library to offer, but I have some really bad typing skills I'm willing to lend!!

del schisler · 05-17-2006, 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilbear

Some of the clearest mud I've seen yet, Ed!

OK, all seriousness aside ... it makes sense to me and would be a great resource ... more or less a topical index of jigs/procedures used on the various RWS shows? Would that be another way of putting it?

Unfortunately, I don't have any library of shows recorded but if I could help as a respository or database compiler/sorter/clerk I'd be more than willing ....

but it does beg the question -

If I was producing a show, I'd probably have some sort of index or at least storyboards/cartoons/outlines set-up already that might be extremely usefull in helping to do what you're considering (or my promoters would be getting very edgey) - any input from Bob and Rick, or Mark, or other folks involved in the actual production? This could be a very helpfull thing to your loyal watchers and also a possible source of free back-door marketing for show episodes. At the very least, free clerical help. What say ye?

As an aside, there was a suggestion to do some similar catlouging of threads and tips on this forum that just kind of splattered on the sidewalk ... I don't want to derail this topic onto something else ... I'm just suggesting that proferred help may be a little sparse - we all like to be nourished - but we also like free meals - a condition of being human I suppose - at any rate, If I can be of service, count me in. I may not have a library to offer, but I have some really bad typing skills I'm willing to lend!!

here is a link to the shows click and you can see the pictures of what is on the tap you may know of this i have lot's of the shows recorded del schisler

http://us.oak-park.com/catalogue.html?list=RW-VHS-

**Mike** · 05-17-2006, 11:02 AM

Ok, let me start this with: Brass set up bars, all 138 shows.

**bobj3** · 05-17-2006, 04:42 PM

Ok

I have 13 VHS tapes of the Router Workshop and Norm starting 05/01 most have 2 to 6 hours of shows per. tape (1/2 hour for ea. PBS show) then I have 28 DVD's that have 2 to 3 hours of the same plus others like Roy Underhill and American Workshop on the same DVD's.

To go back and view all the shows would take forevery not say anything about taking notes about the jigs,etc.

Brass Set up bars would take a book of notes and I would go to sleep by then for sure after viewing 6 hours of Bob and Rick, info over load !!!! for sure.

Just my 2 cents ,just let things be and if someone needs the info let them buy the tape/dvd from Oak-Park.

Bj

reible · 05-17-2006, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aniceone2hold

Ok, let me start this with: Brass set up bars, all 138 shows.

Our first piece of data and it might be wrong............. I think you ment to say 183 but I don't know if all shows have the bars in them....

Ed

reible · 05-17-2006, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobj3

Ok

I have 13 VHS tapes of the Router Workshop and Norm starting 05/01 most have 2 to 6 hours of shows per. tape (1/2 hour for ea. PBS show) then I have 28 DVD's that have 2 to 3 hours of the same plus others like Roy Underhill and American Workshop on the same DVD's.

To go back and view all the shows would take forevery not say anything about taking notes about the jigs,etc.

Brass Set up bars would take a book of notes and I would go to sleep by then for sure after viewing 6 hours of Bob and Rick, info over load !!!! for sure.

Just my 2 cents ,just let things be and if someone needs the info let them buy the tape/dvd from Oak-Park.

Bj

Hi,

PBS show are more like 20 minutes long and so if you have 183 of them that is a total of 61 hours. If we had 20 people doing this that would be just over 3 hours per person.... take that into a few months and it is not much time at all. Add to the fact you can "fast forward" and you can really cut down the time....

In fact if you used just a half hour reading/posting here and another half hour watching your favorite show you be could done in less then two weeks.

We do not have to be that detailed about brass bars, they were in the show they were not in the show a little check box on the notes covers that... that goes for anything else as well... it needs to be simple and short sort of the KISS idea.

You have at last grasped the idea "... just let things be and if someone needs the info let them buy the tape/dvd from Oak-Park." You or me or "they" have no idea which tape/dvd to buy and even if they taped the show off TV they still have no idea which one to watch.

It is like having all this information in this huge book but no index to find anything. Just like this website has a lot of really good stuff from back in the beginning but how in the world can someone find it... Well search helps if you pick the right word to search on but if you don't it is all deep within the big box that grows everyday.

Ed

**bobj3** · 05-17-2006, 11:41 PM

Hi Ed
Well when I put them on the tapes I just used the PBS time setup (30 mins) for ea. with all the junk on the end of the shows, you know what I mean.
I got a be smarter with the DVD and cut them off at 25mins. or so for ea. show.
But I could not fast forward them I like show to much and would want to watch the full 25 mins. or so..hahahahaha (Router Nut, ya I know)
Many are replays when the PBS just ran the same show over again.

" If we had 20 people doing this" and how would the 20 people get the Tapes/DVD ?.

" In fact if you used just a half hour reading/posting here"= need to think about that one...

"It is like having all this information in this huge book but no index to find anything." = That's just about what I now, I wish I would have taken the time to put the episode number on the tapes/DVD and short list of what was on it 20/20 hine site stuff.

But at the time it didn't make a difference I was just happy I got it on tape you know how PBS are sometimes they run it and then sometimes they didn't, always asking for money and cutting show for that...and it came on at 2:00 A.M. and 1:30 A.M. and then sometimes at 3:00 p.m. or knocking it for some other junk that I didn't want.
6 hours of RWS would take 12 weeks of taping off the PBS, you can see why I didn't make a list of them.

Need to think about this one a bit...

Bj

05-15-2006, 10:47 PM	#1
reible Registered User Supreme Forum King Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,703 View reible's Gallery	jigs used on show question Hi, First take a look at this: http://woodbutcher.net/nrmstools.htm There is a very interesting list of the New Yankee Workshop (Norm) tools and associated lists of shows. I have just "won" an "oak-park" jig and was thinking "Hey it would be cool to see all the show this was used in." So has anyone ever taken the time to make such a list??? -OR- Anyone want to make such a list or help do so.... especially some one who has all or most of the infomation on tape??? anyone, anyone at all??? I'd be willing to do a few... Ed __________________ Sometimes you get, and sometimes you get got. Last edited by reible; 07-15-2006 at 12:19 AM.
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del schisler Registered User Forum Geek Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 231 View del schisler's Gallery	Jig for Circle legs pos. here is a little jig i used for pos. my legs on the circle tables that i make it is for 3 legs and 4 legs i just put it on the circle and mark the pos. for eather just fast what i used to set this up was a clock dial i used to mfd. clock's and i has some dial's left over and thought what a simple set up a mark at 12 and 4 and 8 or 6 and 10 and 2 which ever you want to use than for the 4 leg set up of course 12 and 3 and 6 and 9 it is easy to grab the jig and mark the leg pos. it is close enough for gov. work thanks for looking del schisler also the last of the tables i have beat this one enough __________________ del schisler
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05-16-2006, 06:31 PM	#3
reible Registered User Supreme Forum King Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,703 View reible's Gallery	OK I guess I did not explain this concept well enough. Let me try again. Let us say that we pick one of the jigs that I have seen used a lot by the router guys, the "box joint jig". As we know they have used this on a lot of show but which ones??? And we also know that they use the spacer fence idea to do some dovetail work, which show are those?? What I was looking for was some thing like the web page that I ask you to look at. In this case you would look at box joint jig and see it was used to make box joints in 1701 and in 5634 and in 7865 (these are all made up numbers for this example only). Having this information one could then look in your personal video library, the woodwooking channel or perhaps buy the show from oak-park if you were interested in how it was used that time. In my case I would be interested in seeing how they have used the miter gauge system. I have seen it used a few times but I do not recall what show or what projects. So the only way I could find some of them would be to look through all the tapes I have....... (I personal have not even seen half the shows so my library is not very complete). If I did my math right there are some 183 episodes! So if we had enough interest, by enough people we could get all the shows watched (provideing amoung the group someone has a tape of each and every show) When watching the tapes they would take notes.... Hitachi router, circle jig, raised panel jig, router tip (how to bevel cut) and anything else note worthy (yellow jackets, Mark was in the show, guest appearances etc.). Clear as mud this time?? Ed __________________ Sometimes you get, and sometimes you get got. Last edited by reible; 07-15-2006 at 12:18 AM.
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Gilbear Registered User Supreme Forum King Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,663 View Gilbear's Gallery	Some of the clearest mud I've seen yet, Ed! OK, all seriousness aside ... it makes sense to me and would be a great resource ... more or less a topical index of jigs/procedures used on the various RWS shows? Would that be another way of putting it? Unfortunately, I don't have any library of shows recorded but if I could help as a respository or database compiler/sorter/clerk I'd be more than willing .... but it does beg the question - If I was producing a show, I'd probably have some sort of index or at least storyboards/cartoons/outlines set-up already that might be extremely usefull in helping to do what you're considering (or my promoters would be getting very edgey) - any input from Bob and Rick, or Mark, or other folks involved in the actual production? This could be a very helpfull thing to your loyal watchers and also a possible source of free back-door marketing for show episodes. At the very least, free clerical help. What say ye? As an aside, there was a suggestion to do some similar catlouging of threads and tips on this forum that just kind of splattered on the sidewalk ... I don't want to derail this topic onto something else ... I'm just suggesting that proferred help may be a little sparse - we all like to be nourished - but we also like free meals - a condition of being human I suppose - at any rate, If I can be of service, count me in. I may not have a library to offer, but I have some really bad typing skills I'm willing to lend!! Last edited by Gilbear; 05-16-2006 at 07:14 PM.
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bobj3 Forum Contributer Supreme Forum King Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Littleton,Colorado U.S.A. Posts: 7,137 View bobj3's Gallery	Ok I have 13 VHS tapes of the Router Workshop and Norm starting 05/01 most have 2 to 6 hours of shows per. tape (1/2 hour for ea. PBS show) then I have 28 DVD's that have 2 to 3 hours of the same plus others like Roy Underhill and American Workshop on the same DVD's. To go back and view all the shows would take forevery not say anything about taking notes about the jigs,etc. Brass Set up bars would take a book of notes and I would go to sleep by then for sure after viewing 6 hours of Bob and Rick, info over load !!!! for sure. Just my 2 cents ,just let things be and if someone needs the info let them buy the tape/dvd from Oak-Park. Bj __________________ *Router Tables plans FREE, plus more* http://www.absolutelyfreeplans.com/W...p_projects.htm Router Tip Archive http://www.routerworkshop.com/router_tip_glossary.html Calculators http://www.routerforums.com/dynamic-calculators/
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bobj3 Forum Contributer Supreme Forum King Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Littleton,Colorado U.S.A. Posts: 7,137 View bobj3's Gallery	Hi Ed Well when I put them on the tapes I just used the PBS time setup (30 mins) for ea. with all the junk on the end of the shows, you know what I mean. I got a be smarter with the DVD and cut them off at 25mins. or so for ea. show. But I could not fast forward them I like show to much and would want to watch the full 25 mins. or so..hahahahaha (Router Nut, ya I know) Many are replays when the PBS just ran the same show over again. " If we had 20 people doing this" and how would the 20 people get the Tapes/DVD ?. " In fact if you used just a half hour reading/posting here"= need to think about that one... "It is like having all this information in this huge book but no index to find anything." = That's just about what I now, I wish I would have taken the time to put the episode number on the tapes/DVD and short list of what was on it 20/20 hine site stuff. But at the time it didn't make a difference I was just happy I got it on tape you know how PBS are sometimes they run it and then sometimes they didn't, always asking for money and cutting show for that...and it came on at 2:00 A.M. and 1:30 A.M. and then sometimes at 3:00 p.m. or knocking it for some other junk that I didn't want. 6 hours of RWS would take 12 weeks of taping off the PBS, you can see why I didn't make a list of them. Need to think about this one a bit... Bj __________________ *Router Tables plans FREE, plus more* http://www.absolutelyfreeplans.com/W...p_projects.htm Router Tip Archive http://www.routerworkshop.com/router_tip_glossary.html Calculators http://www.routerforums.com/dynamic-calculators/
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