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Old 12-11-2013, 11:32 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I am seriously thinking about buying a dovetail jig. There are a couple of deal breakers. First, it must be easy to use(or relatively easy) and it must be able to make a wide variety of joints(half blind, through, rabbeted and finger/box) because I do not want to have to by each template ad hoc. I want to buy the thing once and be done with it

Any recommendations, suggestions, comments, warnings or such?

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Old 12-12-2013, 06:27 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Why do not Incra.

P1160001 - YouTube

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I have both the 4216 and an Incra ultralite, not so sure I'd go with the Incra for anything else but the 'little' stuff.

For any project calling for a production run with larger pieces, the PC would be my go to jig.


To the OP question, best bet would be the check out the specs on both as far as what is included and capabilities. I have no experience with the MLCS rig but I like the cam locking system on the PC so all else being equal that would be my 'deal maker'

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Claudio that jig was great. Exactly what I need to add to my Incra system. Was that yours or do you have a link to that plan. Looks as though the jig is used for much more than the youtube video showed.

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Never mind I got another look and I think I got it figured out. Great jig!
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Hi, Fred the video is of the Rembo.

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Don,

You are asking for something that really doesn't exist yet, except for a CNC Router. A CNC router can do it all, but it's cost will likely exceed the cost of the rest of your shop. There is a very steep learning curve as well.

Your desire to have only one jig that will do all of what you want requires a jig with a lot of adjustments/variables that will complicate the jig. In my opinion, the best jig that will do what you are asking is the Leigh D4R Pro. It does an excellent job, and the manual and DVD for it are the best in the business. But, because of all of these features, it can require a refresher to re-learn the features that you need each time you are about to put it back into use. Still, it will do what you ask of it and do it very well, if you follow the instructions and set it up correctly.

If you are willing to accept a dovetail jig that lets you to just make dovetails and you want simplicity, then the Katie jig is probably your best choice, because it needs almost no adjustments. However, it can't do anything but dovetails.

Box joint jigs can run from the very simple that only make one size joint or the more complex adjustable jig that can make multiple sized joints. Most of these are simple in design but can be difficult to set up correctly. For a fixed and variable spaced box joint jig that is quite easy to set up, the Incra I-Box jig is very accurate and relatively easy to use. The manual and DVD for it are also very good and the I-Box jig can be used on either a router table or on a table saw.

I own both the Leigh D4R Pro and the I-Box jig, and I once owned the Katie Jig. All of these jigs will do what their instructions and advertising say they will do, and do it very well, if you set them up correctly.

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Hi

Just a note the Katie jig can do Box joints,blind dovetails,normal dovetails,for the blind dovetails you need the bit below..and a FIXED template..

Ovolo Bits 7/8"CR,2-1/4"CD,1/2"SH

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Sommerfeld's Tools for Wood - Dovetails Made Easy with Marc Sommerfeld - Part 1 - YouTube
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Don,

You are asking for something that really doesn't exist yet, except for a CNC Router. A CNC router can do it all, but it's cost will likely exceed the cost of the rest of your shop. There is a very steep learning curve as well.

Your desire to have only one jig that will do all of what you want requires a jig with a lot of adjustments/variables that will complicate the jig. In my opinion, the best jig that will do what you are asking is the Leigh D4R Pro. It does an excellent job, and the manual and DVD for it are the best in the business. But, because of all of these features, it can require a refresher to re-learn the features that you need each time you are about to put it back into use. Still, it will do what you ask of it and do it very well, if you follow the instructions and set it up correctly.

If you are willing to accept a dovetail jig that lets you to just make dovetails and you want simplicity, then the Katie jig is probably your best choice, because it needs almost no adjustments. However, it can't do anything but dovetails.

Box joint jigs can run from the very simple that only make one size joint or the more complex adjustable jig that can make multiple sized joints. Most of these are simple in design but can be difficult to set up correctly. For a fixed and variable spaced box joint jig that is quite easy to set up, the Incra I-Box jig is very accurate and relatively easy to use. The manual and DVD for it are also very good and the I-Box jig can be used on either a router table or on a table saw.

I own both the Leigh D4R Pro and the I-Box jig, and I once owned the Katie Jig. All of these jigs will do what their instructions and advertising say they will do, and do it very well, if you set them up correctly.

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