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**bobj3** · 07-17-2007, 10:06 PM

Now you and I can used the 40mm template guide that Harry/Tom is always talking about, by just making your own to fit your router base plate with the brass/steel guides.

Offset Rings are made to be use with Template Tom's and HarrySin plunge router templates/patterns or your own templates.

1-3/4" counterbore insert, or any 1-1/2" through bore base plate with a 1-3/4" counterbore, to follow the outline of a pattern.
The router bit protrudes through the hole in the center of the offset guide(s) with the side of the guide bearing against the edge of the template.

These brass guides are attached using the threaded brass ring nut.
Only one ring nut is necessary, regardless of the number of template guides

The sizes given are the outside diameter followed by the inside diameter.
The 7/16" guide fits most dovetail jigs and will accept a 1/2" dovetail bit. For use on templates at least 1/4" thick.

Brass Guide - 3/4"OD x 5/8"ID
Brss Guide - 1"OD x 7/8"ID
Brass Guide - 1-1/2"OD x 1-3/8"ID

Get the brass guides from Lee Valley or Oak-Park

http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...000,51208&ap=1
http://us.oak-park.com/catalogue.htm...&product=BG034

Router Tables Base plates below
http://www.oak-park.com/bsplguide.html
http://www.oak-park.com/bsplguide.html#197

The black Oak-Park 11" x 11" sq. base in the snapshot below is for the Hitachi 3 1/4hp router that I drilled out so I could also mount Porter Cable type routers as well...the router you see in the snapshot is a PC 19.2 volt battery type router.
The other router base plates are some I have made is the sq. 8" x 8" x 1/4" ABS it will take on the PC guides, the round base plate in the snapshot will take on the 1 3/4" brass guides ,it's 9" round x 1/4" thick mouse pad that I had in the shop and just drilled the holes so I could put it to work in the wood shop...
The little round white round spots (in the snapshot below) are made just in case you cut/ream the center hole out to much,,, .050 or more, the double sided carpet tape will hold the OffSet rings in place so they don't drop off the base plates...
They are to put on and easy to take off

made with a auto type gasket punch....

The Offset Rings are listed below, most are in the Metric sizes and are listed by the I.D. & O.D. of the rings.

1 1/2" I.D
50mm
60mm
70mm
80mm
85mm
90mm
100mm

1" I.D.
30mm
40mm
50mm
43mm
45mm
50mm
60mm
70mm

3/4" I.D. ( .750 " )
1 1/8"
1 1/4"
1 1/2"
1 3/4"
2"
2 1/8"
2 1/4"
2 1/2"
2 3/4"

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Template Tom
http://www.routerforums.com/guide-bu...te-guides.html

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**bobj3** · 07-17-2007, 10:11 PM

Just more snapshots below
****************

The last 5 snapshots are of rings that will let you use the 1 3/4" and the PC 1 3/16" type brass guides in the Oak-Park without the need to buy a new base plate from Oak-Park just to use the brass guides, you need to make a lip ring to support the rings that is just a bit smaller than the hole in the Oak-Park base plate 3 1/8" (lip ring should be about 2 7/8" ID) But this little trick/tip will save you about 40.oo dollars....for a new base plate

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http://www.routerforums.com/48768-post6.html

http://www.routerforums.com/introduc...eazis1952.html

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**Mike** · 07-17-2007, 11:33 PM

BJ, can you go into more detail on how you made the offset rings?

**harrysin** · 07-17-2007, 11:44 PM

Bj., you sure have been busy, there's no doubt in my mind that when you make a decision, you go full steam ahead. I think even Tom will be envious of the huge range of template guides that you now have. We must now go to stage two, you need a few metric straight cutters because it becomes even worse attempting to mix metric guides with imperial cutters, but having said that, there are occasions when a combination of the two will create an exact size. A 6,10 and 12mm cutter would be a good start. Once you have these it will be time for stage three, making a template/s and proceeding to plunge rout a project, possibly a French balloon clock as shown in my competition entry. It's obvious not only from my own observations but from posted feedback that you're woodworking knowledge and practical abilities are beyond question and so I feel sure that you could be the catalyst required to influence the forums worldwide audience. I'm sure that you won't mind if I email these posts to Template Tom, I know that it will make his holiday even more pleasurable. By the way I forgot to mention what a good job you did on those adaptors.

**bobj3** · 07-18-2007, 12:40 AM

Hi Mike

They are easy to make but a drill press is needed..

Start with clamping the plastic to the drill press with some scrap stock under the plastic,,, then popin the circle cutter/hole saw and set it for the size you want to make, drill down into the plastic about 1/2 the way and stop and remove the circle cutter then popin the forstner bit you to use, then drill the center hole out, once the center hole is drilled out, popin the circle cutter and cut out the ring,,, take care when it's almost done with the cut, it's free at that point and will pickup just a bit,,,,the hole saw will just lift the plug and then it can be just push out...of the hole saw...

Now it's time to get them true,,, make a 1 1/2" or 1" or 3/4" plug with a 1/4" hole in it,,, this plug will be used on the (little jig in the snapshot) on the belt sander,,,,,this will get the OD true,, then it comes time to get the ID true,,, this is the hard part because you don't want to take off to much,, the forstner bit will cut it true but because it's plastic you will have some tips that need to be removed with care, they may need to be remove b/4 using the centering plugs ....BUT with Care.....a small drum sanding works well for this job....

I made the plugs out of MDF stock, Go and No Go type...they must be dead on....

Forstner Bit
http://www.mlcswoodworking.com/shops...rst_set_anchor

Circle Cutter w/ Fine Adjustment
http://www.grizzly.com/products/h7538

Hole Saws for the small ones....

Hope this helps,,, easy items to make but they do take some time....
hope this helps someone that wants to make some....

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Originally Posted by Mike

BJ, can you go into more detail on how you made the offset rings?

gregW · 07-18-2007, 12:58 AM

Bob,

Thanks for the info...I'm a believer, your sanding jig was one of my first, and it quickly became one my most used jigs

Now I just have to buy one of those big base plates from oak-park

**bobj3** · 07-18-2007, 01:17 AM

You'er Welcome Greg

The sanding jig is a easy one to make and it one the best jigs I have in the shop and I also use it all the time ,,,toy wheels,knobs,etc.

I was lucky I got the base plate from Bob N. for FREE along with a the Oak-Pak vac. setup for it.... and I just hung it on the wall ,then I said lets put it to work with Tom''s and Harry template way of making boxes,etc., I'm not into the sleds yet the 11" sq. base should work fine but time will tell....

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**harrysin** · 07-18-2007, 01:19 AM

Bj., I've only just read how you made the discs and must confess that it surprised me. Over the years I've made many acrylic type discs for my router tables using a circle cutting jig, which is fast, safe,simple and accurate. running the router at relatively low speed has never caused a melting problem but it does create a snow storm, wife,partner,friend or neighbour standing by with a vac. hose is a good idea.

**bobj3** · 07-18-2007, 01:32 AM

Hi Harry

I have many router bits made just for plastic but most gull up and melt the plastic.... ;( ABS is the pitts....most of the time...acrylic OK most of the time..the one that's real nasty is poly...

The circle cutting just works best for me...

it's like making a ring that is 1" ID with a 1 3/16" OD that an be just a bit nasty because of the heat build up..I tried it on the lathe and still had the heat error....

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Originally Posted by harrysin

Bj., I've only just read how you made the discs and must confess that it surprised me. Over the years I've made many acrylic type discs for my router tables using a circle cutting jig, which is fast, safe,simple and accurate. running the router at relatively low speed has never caused a melting problem but it does create a snow storm, wife,partner,friend or neighbour standing by with a vac. hose is a good idea.

**harrysin** · 07-18-2007, 06:12 AM

You have to be using the wrong material Bj. because I have routed and turned Acrylic TYPE material for years with no problems other than lots of snow like swarf. Routing of course gives a perfect circle with no clean-up required. The reason that I don't know what materials I have used over the years is that like the timber that I use, most is given to me by friends and friends of friends! Why not give it another try Bj.

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bobj3 Forum Contributer Supreme Forum King Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Littleton,Colorado U.S.A. Posts: 8,300 View bobj3's Gallery	Report This Post! 40mm Guides for Templates + more Now you and I can used the 40mm template guide that Harry/Tom is always talking about, by just making your own to fit your router base plate with the brass/steel guides. Offset Rings are made to be use with Template Tom's and HarrySin plunge router templates/patterns or your own templates. 1-3/4" counterbore insert, or any 1-1/2" through bore base plate with a 1-3/4" counterbore, to follow the outline of a pattern. The router bit protrudes through the hole in the center of the offset guide(s) with the side of the guide bearing against the edge of the template. These brass guides are attached using the threaded brass ring nut. Only one ring nut is necessary, regardless of the number of template guides The sizes given are the outside diameter followed by the inside diameter. The 7/16" guide fits most dovetail jigs and will accept a 1/2" dovetail bit. For use on templates at least 1/4" thick. Brass Guide - 3/4"OD x 5/8"ID Brss Guide - 1"OD x 7/8"ID Brass Guide - 1-1/2"OD x 1-3/8"ID Get the brass guides from Lee Valley or Oak-Park http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...000,51208&ap=1 http://us.oak-park.com/catalogue.htm...&product=BG034 Router Tables Base plates below http://www.oak-park.com/bsplguide.html http://www.oak-park.com/bsplguide.html#197 The black Oak-Park 11" x 11" sq. base in the snapshot below is for the Hitachi 3 1/4hp router that I drilled out so I could also mount Porter Cable type routers as well...the router you see in the snapshot is a PC 19.2 volt battery type router. The other router base plates are some I have made is the sq. 8" x 8" x 1/4" ABS it will take on the PC guides, the round base plate in the snapshot will take on the 1 3/4" brass guides ,it's 9" round x 1/4" thick mouse pad that I had in the shop and just drilled the holes so I could put it to work in the wood shop... The little round white round spots (in the snapshot below) are made just in case you cut/ream the center hole out to much,,, .050 or more, the double sided carpet tape will hold the OffSet rings in place so they don't drop off the base plates... They are to put on and easy to take off made with a auto type gasket punch.... The Offset Rings are listed below, most are in the Metric sizes and are listed by the I.D. & O.D. of the rings. 1 1/2" I.D 50mm 60mm 70mm 80mm 85mm 90mm 100mm 1" I.D. 30mm 40mm 50mm 43mm 45mm 50mm 60mm 70mm 3/4" I.D. ( .750 " ) 1 1/8" 1 1/4" 1 1/2" 1 3/4" 2" 2 1/8" 2 1/4" 2 1/2" 2 3/4" =========== Template Tom http://www.routerforums.com/guide-bu...te-guides.html =========== Attached Thumbnails __________________ PodCast videos RWS on YouTube http://www.routerforums.com/86898-post1.html Besure and click on the Up Arrow key ▲ on the Youtube video, you can select other youtube videos on router tables http://www.woodworkingonline.com/?s=dovetail Machine Cut ▼ http://www.woodworkingonline.com/200...cut-dovetails/ http://www.woodworkingonline.com/woo...podcast-store/ http://www.woodshopdemos.com/menu2.htm Bob J. Last edited by bobj3; 03-02-2008 at 11:18 AM.
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bobj3 Forum Contributer Supreme Forum King Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Littleton,Colorado U.S.A. Posts: 8,300 View bobj3's Gallery	Report This Post! Just more snapshots below **************** The last 5 snapshots are of rings that will let you use the 1 3/4" and the PC 1 3/16" type brass guides in the Oak-Park without the need to buy a new base plate from Oak-Park just to use the brass guides, you need to make a lip ring to support the rings that is just a bit smaller than the hole in the Oak-Park base plate 3 1/8" (lip ring should be about 2 7/8" ID) But this little trick/tip will save you about 40.oo dollars....for a new base plate =========== http://www.routerforums.com/48768-post6.html http://www.routerforums.com/introduc...eazis1952.html =============== Attached Thumbnails __________________ PodCast videos RWS on YouTube http://www.routerforums.com/86898-post1.html Besure and click on the Up Arrow key ▲ on the Youtube video, you can select other youtube videos on router tables http://www.woodworkingonline.com/?s=dovetail Machine Cut ▼ http://www.woodworkingonline.com/200...cut-dovetails/ http://www.woodworkingonline.com/woo...podcast-store/ http://www.woodshopdemos.com/menu2.htm Bob J. Last edited by bobj3; 07-19-2007 at 05:09 PM.
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harrysin Forum Contributer Supreme Forum King Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Western Australia Posts: 3,333 View harrysin's Gallery	Report This Post! Bj., you sure have been busy, there's no doubt in my mind that when you make a decision, you go full steam ahead. I think even Tom will be envious of the huge range of template guides that you now have. We must now go to stage two, you need a few metric straight cutters because it becomes even worse attempting to mix metric guides with imperial cutters, but having said that, there are occasions when a combination of the two will create an exact size. A 6,10 and 12mm cutter would be a good start. Once you have these it will be time for stage three, making a template/s and proceeding to plunge rout a project, possibly a French balloon clock as shown in my competition entry. It's obvious not only from my own observations but from posted feedback that you're woodworking knowledge and practical abilities are beyond question and so I feel sure that you could be the catalyst required to influence the forums worldwide audience. I'm sure that you won't mind if I email these posts to Template Tom, I know that it will make his holiday even more pleasurable. By the way I forgot to mention what a good job you did on those adaptors. __________________ *Harry*
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gregW Registered User Forum Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: California, USA Posts: 147 View gregW's Gallery	Report This Post! Bob, Thanks for the info...I'm a believer, your sanding jig was one of my first, and it quickly became one my most used jigs Now I just have to buy one of those big base plates from oak-park __________________ Greg -------------------------------
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bobj3 Forum Contributer Supreme Forum King Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Littleton,Colorado U.S.A. Posts: 8,300 View bobj3's Gallery	Report This Post! You'er Welcome Greg The sanding jig is a easy one to make and it one the best jigs I have in the shop and I also use it all the time ,,,toy wheels,knobs,etc. I was lucky I got the base plate from Bob N. for FREE along with a the Oak-Pak vac. setup for it.... and I just hung it on the wall ,then I said lets put it to work with Tom''s and Harry template way of making boxes,etc., I'm not into the sleds yet the 11" sq. base should work fine but time will tell.... ========== __________________ PodCast videos RWS on YouTube http://www.routerforums.com/86898-post1.html Besure and click on the Up Arrow key ▲ on the Youtube video, you can select other youtube videos on router tables http://www.woodworkingonline.com/?s=dovetail Machine Cut ▼ http://www.woodworkingonline.com/200...cut-dovetails/ http://www.woodworkingonline.com/woo...podcast-store/ http://www.woodshopdemos.com/menu2.htm Bob J.
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harrysin Forum Contributer Supreme Forum King Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Western Australia Posts: 3,333 View harrysin's Gallery	Report This Post! Bj., I've only just read how you made the discs and must confess that it surprised me. Over the years I've made many acrylic type discs for my router tables using a circle cutting jig, which is fast, safe,simple and accurate. running the router at relatively low speed has never caused a melting problem but it does create a snow storm, wife,partner,friend or neighbour standing by with a vac. hose is a good idea. __________________ *Harry*
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harrysin Forum Contributer Supreme Forum King Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Western Australia Posts: 3,333 View harrysin's Gallery	Report This Post! You have to be using the wrong material Bj. because I have routed and turned Acrylic TYPE material for years with no problems other than lots of snow like swarf. Routing of course gives a perfect circle with no clean-up required. The reason that I don't know what materials I have used over the years is that like the timber that I use, most is given to me by friends and friends of friends! Why not give it another try Bj. __________________ *Harry*
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