Router Forums

Register Now!

It appears that you aren't a registered member, click below to instantly register and become a member of the RouterForums.com Community!

Register Now!

** Registration removes majority of the website advertisements **


Go Back   Router Forums > Routers > Jigs and Fixtures

Jigs and Fixtures This area will be directed towards the art of designing specific jigs and fixtures. Bob and Rick say, "if the specific operation is to make more than one piece the same size and shape then chances are you need a jig and/or fixtures."


New Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-29-2004, 08:18 PM   #1
mcmazoway
Registered User
New Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 2
mcmazoway is on a distinguished road

Default Inlaying an outlet in a hardwood floor

I want to inlay an electrical outlet into my hardwood floor and thought that I could mill out the correct size opening with my router. Has anyone done this before? Any known problems to be careful of? I know about being careful of the nails. I only have to mill out about 7/64" and should be well clear of them
mcmazoway is offline   Top - Reply with Quote
Alt Sponsor Post
Advertising



Alt Sponsored Links

__________________
This advertising will not be shown in this way to registered members.
Register your free account today and become a member on Router Forums
   
Old 12-30-2004, 09:21 AM   #2
Mike
Senior Moderator
Supreme Forum King
 
Mike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Detroit, Michigan USA
Posts: 3,378
Mike has disabled reputation

Send a message via AIM to Mike Send a message via Yahoo to Mike Send a message via Skype™ to Mike

Any electrical outlet you install has to be inside an approved box. Perhaps you can provide a bit more detail on what you want to do?
__________________
Mike
Please edit your profile with a name and location so we can better assist you.
Mike is offline   Top - Reply with Quote
Old 12-30-2004, 09:40 AM   #3
mcmazoway
Registered User
New Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 2
mcmazoway is on a distinguished road


I was wondering if anyone had any tips, tricks, etc. for milling down the floor so I can install the plate flush with the top of the flooring. I am well aware of the electrical needs and am very familiar with the electrical codes involved.
mcmazoway is offline   Top - Reply with Quote
Old 12-30-2004, 11:31 AM   #4
BobandRick
The Router Guys
Forum King
 
BobandRick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 633
BobandRick has disabled reputation


Quote:
Originally Posted by mcmazoway
I was wondering if anyone had any tips, tricks, etc. for milling down the floor so I can install the plate flush with the top of the flooring. I am well aware of the electrical needs and am very familiar with the electrical codes involved.
What kind of router tools do you have?

This is called and inlay. First thing to do is make a pattern that is exactly the size and shape as the electrical cover. To do this we screw the cover on a 1/4" plywood pattern material and using a 7/16" guide and a 1/4" router bit cut out the shape of the electrical cover, now the pattern is 1/4" bigger all around.

With the pattern made place the pattern on the hardwood floor in the correct position and double stick tape in place. Remember you have to be exact in your positioning of the pattern because the two screws that mount the cover in position determine the placement. It might help to mount the cover with the screws and then place the pattern in position leaving equal 1/4" margin all around inside of the pattern.

Change your guide to a 11/16" or the combination of 7/16 plus the router bit 4/16". We are cutting a reverse inlay...the pattern is made with the router bit on the outside of the cover then when we are cutting the flooring we need the router bit on the inside of the pattern. The larger guide gives the margin between the guide and cutting edge of the router bit, which moves the bit inside to cut the pattern. Set the depth to the thickness of the cover and cut the pattern.

Practice, practice, practice is the big tip....might want to practice a few times on a piece of scrap flooring before cutting the real flooring. You will learn how the fit is, how the router reacts in your flooring, and any special techniques.

Be safe and good luck, Rick
__________________
Rick and Bob
The Router Guys


Click here to send a greeting card to friend or relative.
BobandRick is offline   Top - Reply with Quote
Old 12-31-2004, 09:32 AM   #5
steveo
Registered User
Forum Fanatic
 
steveo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: central Illinois
Posts: 164
steveo is on a distinguished road


Quote:
Originally Posted by BobandRick
What kind of router tools do you have?

This is called and inlay. First thing to do is make a pattern that is exactly the size and shape as the electrical cover. To do this we screw the cover on a 1/4" plywood pattern material and using a 7/16" guide and a 1/4" router bit cut out the shape of the electrical cover, now the pattern is 1/4" bigger all around.

With the pattern made place the pattern on the hardwood floor in the correct position and double stick tape in place. Remember you have to be exact in your positioning of the pattern because the two screws that mount the cover in position determine the placement. It might help to mount the cover with the screws and then place the pattern in position leaving equal 1/4" margin all around inside of the pattern.

Change your guide to a 11/16" or the combination of 7/16 plus the router bit 4/16". We are cutting a reverse inlay...the pattern is made with the router bit on the outside of the cover then when we are cutting the flooring we need the router bit on the inside of the pattern. The larger guide gives the margin between the guide and cutting edge of the router bit, which moves the bit inside to cut the pattern. Set the depth to the thickness of the cover and cut the pattern.

Practice, practice, practice is the big tip....might want to practice a few times on a piece of scrap flooring before cutting the real flooring. You will learn how the fit is, how the router reacts in your flooring, and any special techniques.

Be safe and good luck, Rick
Rick, Me thinks the pattern is 1/4" + 3/32" , or 11/32" bigger all around. Somebody forgot to sharpen their shop pencil.
steveo
steveo is offline   Top - Reply with Quote
Old 12-31-2004, 11:12 AM   #6
BobandRick
The Router Guys
Forum King
 
BobandRick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 633
BobandRick has disabled reputation


Quote:
Originally Posted by steveo
Rick, Me thinks the pattern is 1/4" + 3/32" , or 11/32" bigger all around. Somebody forgot to sharpen their shop pencil.
steveo
We have to have the whole router bit inside the cut line that will make the shape match the cover. Inlay kits work the same way by adding a collar that is the thickness of the 1/4" router bit.
__________________
Rick and Bob
The Router Guys


Click here to send a greeting card to friend or relative.
BobandRick is offline   Top - Reply with Quote
Old 12-31-2004, 11:37 AM   #7
reible
Registered User
Supreme Forum King
 
reible's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,703
reible has a spectacular aura aboutreible has a spectacular aura about


Are you sure about this post? Things are not adding up for me, or I'm missing what you are doing........

Anyway I have to go do some shopping but when I return I'm going to do a drawing to see if I can figure out what's up.

Ed
reible is offline   Top - Reply with Quote
Old 12-31-2004, 12:11 PM   #8
steveo
Registered User
Forum Fanatic
 
steveo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: central Illinois
Posts: 164
steveo is on a distinguished road


Quote:
Originally Posted by reible
Are you sure about this post? Things are not adding up for me, or I'm missing what you are doing........

Anyway I have to go do some shopping but when I return I'm going to do a drawing to see if I can figure out what's up.

Ed
You are right Ed, it just doesn't add up. If they are using a 7/16" bushing with a 1/4" bit, the "female" template will be 11/32" larger than the electrical plate. Then they will have to change out the 7/16" bushing to a 15/16" bushing to "mill" the hole in the floor exactly the same size as the electrical plate. Of course one will have to hunt high an low for a 15/16" bushing.
steveo
steveo is offline   Top - Reply with Quote
Old 12-31-2004, 04:02 PM   #9
reible
Registered User
Supreme Forum King
 
reible's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,703
reible has a spectacular aura aboutreible has a spectacular aura about


Let me give this a shot. If you use the outlet cover as the edge you run the template against, for now let's say we use a 3/4" bushing and a 1/4" bit. Now when we cut we are cutting 1/4" from the template but the outside of the cutter is cutting a 1/2" away. The "new template" is being made then is 1/2" larger all the way around.

When we have finished the cut we take the "new template" which now has this opening that is 1/2" larger all around and put it on the floor. At this point we want to get back that 1/2" so using the same bit the same guide we would then be to the same size as the orginal template but with the bit width of 1/4" to the wrong side of the hole we want to route. This means we need to move the bit over 1/4" so we route out the hole we need. Since the bushing was 3/4" we need to add the 1/4 + 1/4 making the bushing be 1/2" larger then the 3/4" or 1 1/4".

Recap: use 1/4" bit and 3/4" bushing makes the hole in the "new template" 1/2" larger then the outlet cover. Using the same bit but a 1 1/4" bushing moves the cut over 3/4" and the outlet cover should fit in......

This is a classic case of using a look-up table for an outside cut of 1/2" and then an inside cut of 1/2". Maybe it's time for me to post this again???

I think this is correct or are we missing something?????

Ed

Last edited by reible; 12-31-2004 at 04:05 PM.
reible is offline   Top - Reply with Quote
Old 12-31-2004, 04:04 PM   #10
BobandRick
The Router Guys
Forum King
 
BobandRick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 633
BobandRick has disabled reputation


Your right you need to add twice the thickness of the router bit or 1/2" to 7/16" making it a 15/16" guide...sorry for the math.
__________________
Rick and Bob
The Router Guys


Click here to send a greeting card to friend or relative.
BobandRick is offline   Top - Reply with Quote
New Reply

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Joke a Day bobj3 Lobby 419 11-23-2008 02:19 PM
Gathering hardwood to work with... popeyebedford Lobby 1 07-16-2007 10:19 AM
Hardwood flooring Rosco4 General Routing 9 04-28-2006 09:58 AM

RouterWorkshop.net - EagleAmerica.com – Over 2,000 Router Bits - Your Advertisement Here! - Your Advertisement Here! - Your Advertisement Here!

RouterForums.com - Your online woodworking community!
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. Copyright © 2008 - 2009 RouterForums.com Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.2.0
Professional Web Hosting Solutions provided by: BeastInternet.com