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Hamlin · 06-10-2008, 07:52 PM

Hi,

I understand the "theory" behind these but, this is overkill. A simple "floating tenon" can't be beat. It doesn't require extra tooling nor the time required to get the setup done.

Just my $0.02 worth.

If I stepped on any toes here, I apologize.

**bobj3** · 06-10-2008, 08:03 PM

Hi Ken

I think they are made for the guy that only has a drill...in his tool belt

But wants to put in a good strong wood joint now and then..

Plus he doesn't know that he can buy a router combo kit for just a little bit less than the jig....

and a small add on base plate and then he has a real tool...plus some

Jig = 120.oo dollars
http://www.rockler.com/search_result...x=0&submit.y=0
http://www.rockler.com/gallery.cfm?O...Select=Details

add on plate 20.oo dollars for the router..
http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?p...20base%20Plate

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Originally Posted by Hamlin

Hi,

I understand the "theory" behind these but, this is overkill. A simple "floating tenon" can't be beat. It doesn't require extra tooling nor the time required to get the setup done.

Just my $0.02 worth.

If I stepped on any toes here, I apologize.

S Bolton · 06-10-2008, 08:35 PM

I think that would be the appeal of the device. Make a good joint with a drill. It looks well made.

SB

**harrysin** · 06-11-2008, 04:20 AM

Bj., as I have confessed on many occasions, at times I can be a slow learner so please be patient with me. I do not understand how the multi dowel shown in shot 0210 was made with the cutter shown in shot 0213. Could you please be patient with me and take some shots holding the bead against the cutter as it would have been set-up for each of the cuts. Thanks Bj.

**bobj3** · 06-11-2008, 01:09 PM

Hi Harry

Here's a snapshot or two that shows how to make them with one bit..
once the bit is set it should not need to be readjusted to make all the passes...the key is to use the right bit and the right size of stock, in this case it's 1 1/8"

They can be made in 3/16" diam. to 3/4" diam. in the same way...

You know I'm not a big fan of the wooden dowel pins but this way they are locked in place, unlike the standard dowel pin that acts like a pivot joint.
If I want something to turn I would use a round pin

but thie best dowel pin by far is the square one...it's a locking wedge pin and it will not let the stock turn on the pin...or pivot on it..

They can be made on a standard router table but I like to use the Horz. router table anytime I need to run stock by the bit on it's edge,on the standard router table, it's just alot safer and quicker than setting the jig on the other router table...

Edge Beading Bit
http://www.grizzly.com/products/Edge...-16-Dia-/C1374

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Originally Posted by harrysin

Bj., as I have confessed on many occasions, at times I can be a slow learner so please be patient with me. I do not understand how the multi dowel shown in shot 0210 was made with the cutter shown in shot 0213. Could you please be patient with me and take some shots holding the bead against the cutter as it would have been set-up for each of the cuts. Thanks Bj.

**harrysin** · 06-12-2008, 12:04 AM

I appreciate the time you spent on this demonstrate Bj. All became immediately obvious with the new clear shots of the cutter. Early on in your post, when you mentioned square dowels, I thought "gee whiz, Bj. has found the secret of putting square pegs in round holes" but I continued looking at the photos. and saw that you do in fact make square holes.
I have been thinking (as one does), if three holes have to be drilled, why not simply use three common or garden standard splined dowels which cost next to nothing and will in fact slightly increase the gluing area. Just a thought!

**bobj3** · 06-12-2008, 12:12 AM

Hi Harry

You'er Welcome

It's just a new gimick that some one came up with I think, they know that wood workers will buy anything that's new...

And I think you are right 3 holes a some normal dowel rods would do the same job..
The jig just makes it easyer to drill the 3 holes right on...

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**harrysin** · 06-12-2008, 12:14 AM

I appreciate the time you spent on this demonstration Bj. All became immediately obvious with the new clear shots of the cutter. Early on in your post, when you mentioned square dowels, I thought "gee whiz, Bj. has found the secret of putting square pegs in round holes" but I continued looking at the photos. and saw that you do in fact make square holes.
I have been thinking (as one does), if three holes have to be drilled, why not simply use three common or garden standard splined dowels which cost next to nothing and will in fact slightly increase the gluing area. Just a thought!

**bobj3** · 06-14-2008, 05:55 PM

Just a new way to make Knobs..quick and easy with Craftsman Router Lathe..

http://www.routerforums.com/73654-post8.html

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karateed · 06-14-2008, 06:47 PM

Thanks for the knob demo BJ....excellent....I'll follow your example and try this when I am able.

Just a quick question....why couldn't you just cut each knob off once you had the long grooves in the wood. I'm just wondering the purpose of the short grooves between each knob.

Thanks BJ.

Ed......:-)

06-10-2008, 07:52 PM	#11
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S Bolton Registered User Forum Geek Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 461 View S Bolton's Gallery	Report This Post! I think that would be the appeal of the device. Make a good joint with a drill. It looks well made. SB
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harrysin Forum Contributer Supreme Forum King Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Western Australia Posts: 3,238 View harrysin's Gallery	Report This Post! Bj., as I have confessed on many occasions, at times I can be a slow learner so please be patient with me. I do not understand how the multi dowel shown in shot 0210 was made with the cutter shown in shot 0213. Could you please be patient with me and take some shots holding the bead against the cutter as it would have been set-up for each of the cuts. Thanks Bj. __________________ *Harry*
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harrysin Forum Contributer Supreme Forum King Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Western Australia Posts: 3,238 View harrysin's Gallery	Report This Post! I appreciate the time you spent on this demonstrate Bj. All became immediately obvious with the new clear shots of the cutter. Early on in your post, when you mentioned square dowels, I thought "gee whiz, Bj. has found the secret of putting square pegs in round holes" but I continued looking at the photos. and saw that you do in fact make square holes. I have been thinking (as one does), if three holes have to be drilled, why not simply use three common or garden standard splined dowels which cost next to nothing and will in fact slightly increase the gluing area. Just a thought! __________________ *Harry*
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bobj3 Forum Contributer Supreme Forum King Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Littleton,Colorado U.S.A. Posts: 8,095 View bobj3's Gallery	Report This Post! Hi Harry You'er Welcome It's just a new gimick that some one came up with I think, they know that wood workers will buy anything that's new... And I think you are right 3 holes a some normal dowel rods would do the same job.. The jig just makes it easyer to drill the 3 holes right on... =========== __________________ PodCast videos RWS on YouTube http://www.routerforums.com/86898-post1.html Besure and click on the Up Arrow key ▲ on the Youtube video, you can select other youtube videos on router tables http://www.woodworkingonline.com/?s=dovetail Machine Cut ▼ http://www.woodworkingonline.com/200...cut-dovetails/ http://www.woodworkingonline.com/woo...podcast-store/ http://www.woodshopdemos.com/menu2.htm Bob J.
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harrysin Forum Contributer Supreme Forum King Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Western Australia Posts: 3,238 View harrysin's Gallery	Report This Post! I appreciate the time you spent on this demonstration Bj. All became immediately obvious with the new clear shots of the cutter. Early on in your post, when you mentioned square dowels, I thought "gee whiz, Bj. has found the secret of putting square pegs in round holes" but I continued looking at the photos. and saw that you do in fact make square holes. I have been thinking (as one does), if three holes have to be drilled, why not simply use three common or garden standard splined dowels which cost next to nothing and will in fact slightly increase the gluing area. Just a thought! __________________ *Harry* Last edited by harrysin; 06-12-2008 at 12:16 AM. Reason: to correct spelling error
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bobj3 Forum Contributer Supreme Forum King Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Littleton,Colorado U.S.A. Posts: 8,095 View bobj3's Gallery	Report This Post! Just a new way to make Knobs..quick and easy with Craftsman Router Lathe.. http://www.routerforums.com/73654-post8.html =========== Attached Thumbnails __________________ PodCast videos RWS on YouTube http://www.routerforums.com/86898-post1.html Besure and click on the Up Arrow key ▲ on the Youtube video, you can select other youtube videos on router tables http://www.woodworkingonline.com/?s=dovetail Machine Cut ▼ http://www.woodworkingonline.com/200...cut-dovetails/ http://www.woodworkingonline.com/woo...podcast-store/ http://www.woodshopdemos.com/menu2.htm Bob J.
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karateed Registered User Forum King Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Squamish, BC Posts: 704 View karateed's Gallery	Report This Post! Thanks for the knob demo BJ....excellent....I'll follow your example and try this when I am able. Just a quick question....why couldn't you just cut each knob off once you had the long grooves in the wood. I'm just wondering the purpose of the short grooves between each knob. Thanks BJ. Ed......:-) Last edited by karateed; 06-14-2008 at 07:52 PM.
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