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**challagan** · 07-22-2007, 10:10 PM

No reason to apologize Bob. You did fine and it was grand of you too run the contest! I enjoyed seeing all of the projects... and they were all great.

Corey

**bobj3** · 07-22-2007, 10:28 PM

I will 2nd that one Corey....It was Dam nice of you Bob to give your own equipment away Bob ....... and pay for the shipping on top of that to the winners

I will give you 5 stars out of 5 stars and one more because it was a nice thing to do for the members of this fourm ........thank you.......

Some people will just bitch all the time, I would do this or I would do it this way or I can vote becasue it takes to long or I can make heads or tails out of it ,,, I will just say,,,, THANK YOU ! ! ! ! ! ,,,Bob ,,,and keep up the great job ....

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Originally Posted by challagan

No reason to apologize Bob. You did fine and it was grand of you too run the contest! I enjoyed seeing all of the projects... and they were all great.

Corey

tileart · 07-22-2007, 11:33 PM

First of all, Bob, I did not mean to take away anything from the generous contribution you volunteered to the forum and the winners - at all, it was a very nice and generous thing you did and I'm sure very appreciated by many, myself included. You did not cause me any inconvenience at all, please don't think that. It appears you did all you could to make things easier.

Second, some quotes:

Joe: "I would like to know...

W H Y can't we V O T E ??!!

Does anyone have the answer?

I just do not understand it...

Thank you in advance for letting me know W H Y."

Harry: "Not only that, but only a very few of the large membership actively join in, why is it so?"

I was simply letting the people that wanted to know the reasons I did not vote. It was not
"Some people will just bitch all the time, I would do this or I would do it this way or I can vote because it takes too long or I can make heads or tails out of it"
So I apologize, I thought I was helping. I had absolutely no vested interest and just wanted the people with a lot more experience with this forum to perhaps understand why new members such as myself do not vote. So if that's what it came across as - I'm sorry, it was not my intention.

Thank you for the contest, Bob.

Joe Lyddon · 07-22-2007, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob N

Just for the record I requested that the project thread be cleaned up of all posts other than the entries, the request was denied. Another request was made that the "entries only" be copied to a new thread and that request was ignored. Either of these actions would have made things much easier and a little less cumbersome.

I apoligize for any inconveniences I caused and lack of knowledge in linking individual posts to a poll. I did the best I could with what I had to work with.

Bob,

I too was NOT implying in any way that you were to blame for the low Vote turnout.

Looks like we're zeroing-in on a new way of entering a Voting Poll.

It's a shame that all of your requests were ignored.

Joe

**Mike** · 07-23-2007, 08:34 AM

The requests were not ignored Joe. People get upset when their postings are deleted, this is why the thread was not cleaned up. At present I do not know how to go about posting photos in more than one place on the forums and have asked Mark for assistance with this.

**Mark** · 07-23-2007, 10:00 AM

You can post photos wherever you wish.......... what is the confusion.

Just use the "[img]PHOTO LINK[/img]" tags, OR attach them to your message??

Joe Lyddon · 07-23-2007, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike

The requests were not ignored Joe. People get upset when their postings are deleted, this is why the thread was not cleaned up. At present I do not know how to go about posting photos in more than one place on the forums and have asked Mark for assistance with this.

OK, let's Clear Memory, used to be Clear Core in the ole days, and start over.

What appears to me, right now, that what we need to fix this problem for Future contests, is a good set of Guidelines, Examples, and a set of Tutorial postings so that New Contests can be setup, conducted, and controlled in such a way that ANYONE clicking on the actual Voting Poll post can, directly from the POLL Posting, review the Entries to see What is being voted upon, and then make an intelligent Vote right there... without having to search for other threads and getting confused.

Perhaps New Closed Threads should be created for each contest entry, by the person in charge of the contest or a selected person, that contains pictures and text as required to show the subject for voting purposes. Short and simple. Possibly with links to original thread(s) as desired.(???)

Maybe All pictures posted by the entrants must be in their Galleries so that Links to them can easily be used to display them in the New Thread?

If it's a contest of Projects, ONLY pictures of the finished products are needed for the New Thread(s)... to make each thread as short, simple, brief, and easily looked at in one screen?

Perhaps every Voting Poll should have votable items like:
10. Sorry, I don't like to vote for anything.
11. I am not motivated to vote for ANY of the items.
???
This would, at least, give them an out and let it be known that the Poll was looked at.

If help is desired by the person in charge of the contest, perhaps a Moderator or other knowledgable person could be called upon to help?

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Now...
Do we agree on what I just said? If so, let's get it happening.

Do we agree with any of what I just said? If not, let's discuss the issues and solve the problems.
=====================================

When we're through developing the help, we can have a poll on whether or not it's liked or not!

This only MY opinion on the subject... trying to help make it better.

Joe Lyddon · 07-24-2007, 01:50 PM

bump

How's that?

Short enough?

**Mark** · 07-24-2007, 03:01 PM

Is there any way you can make that a bit shorter..... I'm lazy.

**Mark** · 07-24-2007, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Perhaps New Closed Threads should be created for each contest entry, by the person in charge of the contest or a selected person, that contains pictures and text as required to show the subject for voting purposes. Short and simple. Possibly with links to original thread(s) as desired.(???)

This is displayed or should be displayed in the poll thread.

Quote:

Maybe All pictures posted by the entrants must be in their Galleries so that Links to them can easily be used to display them in the New Thread?

Not all users have a Gallery, nor should they require one. If you start adding on tons of requirements for these "fun" contests, then it'll turn more into a job than just casual fun.

Quote:

If it's a contest of Projects, ONLY pictures of the finished products are needed for the New Thread(s)... to make each thread as short, simple, brief, and easily looked at in one screen?

I agree, in the final thread (voting stage) there should be the final visual of each participatiants project. But, in the actual contest thread, there should be the development of each project for other users to learn and read about.

Quote:

Perhaps every Voting Poll should have votable items like:
10. Sorry, I don't like to vote for anything.
11. I am not motivated to vote for ANY of the items.
???
This would, at least, give them an out and let it be known that the Poll was looked at.

No. There is a "Null Vote View Results" button, once clicked the users vote is nulled. If they still don't understand that, then they can simply not vote at all. Definate no on this one.

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If help is desired by the person in charge of the contest, perhaps a Moderator or other knowledgable person could be called upon to help?

Thats fine. Bob_N apparently didn't require assistance his contest went great, in my opinion. But of course if anyone requires any assistance on RouterForums.com regardless the topic, they should be contacting a Senior Moderator or an Administrator.

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Joe I understand your intentions of trying to improve the system, but I don't feel it is necessary. Currently it's as simple as a voting system can get. I personally don't have time currently to sit down and write guidelines and tutorials on how to properly compose a contest / voting thread, if you wish to do this, go for it.

07-22-2007, 10:10 PM	#11
challagan Retired Moderator Supreme Forum King Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Iowa Posts: 4,002 View challagan's Gallery	Report This Post! No reason to apologize Bob. You did fine and it was grand of you too run the contest! I enjoyed seeing all of the projects... and they were all great. Corey __________________ My Carving Website: The Iowa Woodcarver http://iowacarver.tripod.com/ My Shop Website - Woodshop 51503 http://woodshop51503.tripod.com/
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07-22-2007, 11:33 PM	#13
tileart Registered User Jr. Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Fort Collins, Colorado Posts: 14 View tileart's Gallery	Report This Post! First of all, Bob, I did not mean to take away anything from the generous contribution you volunteered to the forum and the winners - at all, it was a very nice and generous thing you did and I'm sure very appreciated by many, myself included. You did not cause me any inconvenience at all, please don't think that. It appears you did all you could to make things easier. Second, some quotes: Joe: "I would like to know... W H Y can't we V O T E ??!! Does anyone have the answer? I just do not understand it... Thank you in advance for letting me know W H Y." Harry: "Not only that, but only a very few of the large membership actively join in, why is it so?" I was simply letting the people that wanted to know the reasons I did not vote. It was not "Some people will just bitch all the time, I would do this or I would do it this way or I can vote because it takes too long or I can make heads or tails out of it" So I apologize, I thought I was helping. I had absolutely no vested interest and just wanted the people with a lot more experience with this forum to perhaps understand why new members such as myself do not vote. So if that's what it came across as - I'm sorry, it was not my intention. Thank you for the contest, Bob. __________________ Roger TileArtCenter.com It's just a rock, what could go wrong?
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07-23-2007, 08:34 AM	#15
Mike Senior Moderator Supreme Forum King Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Detroit, Michigan USA Posts: 3,378 View Mike's Gallery	Report This Post! The requests were not ignored Joe. People get upset when their postings are deleted, this is why the thread was not cleaned up. At present I do not know how to go about posting photos in more than one place on the forums and have asked Mark for assistance with this. __________________ Mike Please edit your profile with a name and location so we can better assist you.
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07-23-2007, 10:00 AM	#16
Mark Forum Administrator Supreme Forum King Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada First Name: Mark Posts: 3,787 View Mark's Gallery	Report This Post! You can post photos wherever you wish.......... what is the confusion. Just use the "[img]PHOTO LINK[/img]" tags, OR attach them to your message?? __________________ Mark, Administrator and Technician of RouterForums.com RouterWorkshop.net - Get more out of your router!
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07-24-2007, 01:50 PM	#18
Joe Lyddon Banned Supreme Forum King Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Alta Loma, CA USA Posts: 2,168 View Joe Lyddon's Gallery	Report This Post! bump How's that? Short enough? Last edited by Joe Lyddon; 07-24-2007 at 03:05 PM.
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07-24-2007, 03:01 PM	#19
Mark Forum Administrator Supreme Forum King Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada First Name: Mark Posts: 3,787 View Mark's Gallery	Report This Post! Is there any way you can make that a bit shorter..... I'm lazy. __________________ Mark, Administrator and Technician of RouterForums.com RouterWorkshop.net - Get more out of your router!
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