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**bobj3** · 12-02-2007, 08:00 PM

Hi Mike

Funny you shoudl say that ,that's what I did at 1st., I made one out of some bass stock and a steel pin for the barrel part of the hinge...

It wasn't the same and I use a center punch to put in the little hooks ,6 ea. on each side of the hinge...it was the right size but it didn't act the same way,, the hinges are only about a buck each (pair) in the states but they may be 5 times that down under..
that maybe why he only got one set...

**harrysin** · 12-02-2007, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by challagan

Harry, the way you describe your bench should be about perfect for the wood lathe as well. Lots of ways to make them. Mine is shown below with 2 drawers to hold supplies and turning tools. Eventually I can see me doing mine differently. I will loose the skirted part so I can stand closer to it and probably put it at a different hieght as well. An adjustable height would be perfect so I can turn pens while sitting down. My back gets to killing me!

On the pen kits. You have a 7mm mandrell but the kits are 8mm. But what are the bushings for the kits? I have 8mm kits that can be turned on a 7mm mandrell because the bushings are stepped.

Turning tools. Expensive stuff anywhere.. but know your prices are even higher. I see you got a pen turning set. What exactly do you want to turn Harry and the most. I would think you will be doing some spindle work other than pens, that set will work but longer handles are better. I would suggest at least a longer handle 3/8 to 1/2 spindle gouge. A roughing gouge would be nice as well. I know you want to turn a bowl or two so I expect you to get a bowl gouge as well. Most like a 1/2 to 5/8 for that but will let the bowlers in the group tell yah that. I think a big Scraper will be handy as well.. like a big 1 inch and 1/4 inch thick one.

Harry does Carbatech have the same stuff sold by PSI here. I mean I buy gouges very inexpensively from PSI. A whole bag of them for 40.00 or so and when I screw one up I can throw it away. Go to this link and in the search box type in Gouges and then look at the list. Very affordable nice tools. Carbtec may not have them but in the past they have sold a lot of the same stuff.
http://www.pennstateind.com

Corey

Thanks for all the info. Corey, I thought that in the cold light of day, with the initial excitement having subsided, I would understand all about the pen kits and mandrel, but I'm as confused as I was on Saturday. Here is a shot of what I have, can you make any sense out of it? Regarding the bench, it isn't my intention to make an exhibition piece of furniture like you and Bob N, but rather four legs with a top!
I have the latest Carba-Tech catalogue in front of me and there is a huge range of turning tools, so whilst I may not buy from them because of the distance, thanks to you and Bob I now know what to get.
For a moment I thought that you're lathe was identical to mine, then I noticed the peculiar plug on the end of the power cord!

**harrysin** · 12-02-2007, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bobj3

Hi Harry

One pair will not do it and this is why.

I got this tip from Corey, take a hammer and flatten the hooks on the hinges.
and he was right on because once you push it in the slots it will take alot to get it back out without making junk out of the hinge, so to say the test hinge will be junk unless you glue it in the slot once you are ready to give it a real try out..and because it's so thin it can be damage so easy...

I did play with one and then took a center punch and fixed the hooks just b/4 I put it in for good..not as good as a new one but it did hook up in place..with just a dot of super glue.

I also put the slots in about 3/16" of a in. from the edge of the stock and that worked great,also about 3/4" deep so I could hide most the hinge barrel.

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What I had in mind Bj was to fit them into scrap and when finished split the wood with a chisel to recover the hinge. The one pair cost $2.20 but were a lot cheaper in bulk packs. Before Tom left for the airport on Saturday evening, he emailed this drawing for fitting the hinges which should make it easier for me.

Router is still my name · 12-02-2007, 09:56 PM

Congratulation Harry, looking good.

**challagan** · 12-02-2007, 11:34 PM

Harry, please tell me they gave you instructions to the pen kit? Looks like a euro style kit. My guess is that you are alright with the mandrel. If you slide the tubes onto the mandrel I expect the inside diameter will match the mandrel. Mandrels look like what is sold here by Hut which is owned by PSI I think. The three black things are the pen bushings.They go onto the pen mandrel as follows:

Cap bushing 9.15 - Wood - Center Bushing 10.8 - 10. 3 -Wood - Nib Bushing 9.15

I don't know what the little tapered split plastic is for, never seen them in a pen kit before. My guess the gold plated parts you don't know what they are is part of the cap assembly... is the one with the hex shape have a round top? I believe the other part will press into the top of the pen, the clip will go on top of that and the finial screwed on top of that. Make any sense

Ideally for other than pen turning ... you will want a good spindle gouge, roughing gouge, ( you can do without a skew in my opinion... it's evil ) a parting tool and good heavy scraper... all of those items will let you do spindle stuff, weed pots, goblets and boxes

If you want to do bowls, Bernie and Mitch can help you out there!

Corey

**bobj3** · 12-03-2007, 12:40 AM

Harry

This is what worked for me

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Quote:

Originally Posted by harrysin

What I had in mind Bj was to fit them into scrap and when finished split the wood with a chisel to recover the hinge. The one pair cost $2.20 but were a lot cheaper in bulk packs. Before Tom left for the airport on Saturday evening, he emailed this drawing for fitting the hinges which should make it easier for me.

**Mike** · 12-03-2007, 02:49 AM

Harry, you have the drill for making the 7 mm pens, (6.9 mm) but the pen kits require an 8 mm hole. (for the 7.9 mm brass tubes to fit into)

**harrysin** · 12-03-2007, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike

Harry, you have the drill for making the 7 mm pens, (6.9 mm) but the pen kits require an 8 mm hole. (for the 7.9 mm brass tubes to fit into)

Yep, that's what I now realise Mike, I hope to return to the store on Wednesday and sort it out. In the meantime Glenmore sent me a pdf showing assembly details for probably every pen kit made, the drawings are of perfect quality.

**harrysin** · 12-03-2007, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by bobj3

Harry

This is what worked for me

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Thanks for showing that Bj, Tom's drawing is based on the size of MY hinges which are different to yours. I see that you don't have mitres on the box and lid, I intend to and was thinking of taping the lid and box together and sending it over a 45deg. cutter in the table, but that's some time off.

**harrysin** · 12-03-2007, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob N

Harry,

For starting out I would find a good quality 3/8" spindle gouge and a 1/2" skew chisel. With those 2 tools alone you can do about anything except a bowl. Learn those 2 and those 2 alone and I promise you will be an expert in your own right.

Lathe height would be good at just a tad below the elbow to the center, say about an inch. There will be odd times that your tool rest will be slightly above center and we don't want you to have to stand on your toes while turning.

Lastly, below is a shot of my lathe bench and you are welcome to steal any ideas you see useful.

Thanks for you're advice Bob, I have taken it on board. If I attempted to copy YOU'RE bench I would have to dispose of my bandsaw and probably the router table in order to accommodate it, in addition, the concrete floor would probably require reinforcing! No Bob, as I mentioned elsewhere, four legs and a top is what it's going to be, hopefully at the correct height, I have measured at least five times so I'm mildly confident that it will work out OK.

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challagan Retired Moderator Supreme Forum King Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Iowa Posts: 4,002 View challagan's Gallery	Report This Post! Harry, please tell me they gave you instructions to the pen kit? Looks like a euro style kit. My guess is that you are alright with the mandrel. If you slide the tubes onto the mandrel I expect the inside diameter will match the mandrel. Mandrels look like what is sold here by Hut which is owned by PSI I think. The three black things are the pen bushings.They go onto the pen mandrel as follows: Cap bushing 9.15 - Wood - Center Bushing 10.8 - 10. 3 -Wood - Nib Bushing 9.15 I don't know what the little tapered split plastic is for, never seen them in a pen kit before. My guess the gold plated parts you don't know what they are is part of the cap assembly... is the one with the hex shape have a round top? I believe the other part will press into the top of the pen, the clip will go on top of that and the finial screwed on top of that. Make any sense Ideally for other than pen turning ... you will want a good spindle gouge, roughing gouge, ( you can do without a skew in my opinion... it's evil ) a parting tool and good heavy scraper... all of those items will let you do spindle stuff, weed pots, goblets and boxes If you want to do bowls, Bernie and Mitch can help you out there! Corey __________________ My Carving Website: The Iowa Woodcarver http://iowacarver.tripod.com/ My Shop Website - Woodshop 51503 http://woodshop51503.tripod.com/
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Mike Senior Moderator Supreme Forum King Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Detroit, Michigan USA Posts: 3,380 View Mike's Gallery	Report This Post! Harry, you have the drill for making the 7 mm pens, (6.9 mm) but the pen kits require an 8 mm hole. (for the 7.9 mm brass tubes to fit into) __________________ Mike Please edit your profile with a name and location so we can better assist you.
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