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RustyW · 03-15-2008, 01:08 AM

Well as I've mentioned before, my "shop" is about 1/2 of a cluttered single car garage. In this space I have Delta contractors saw,router table,14" bandsaw,sliding miter saw,planer,spindle sander,drill press,scroll saw,3 shopvacs,and lots of power tools. In order to do any work, the larger items are rolled outside to be used. When the weather is bad or it's dark, theres no room to work inside. I recently built a flip top stand which now holds the planer and mitersaw. I think it's the first project I've built from a plan. It was in a book called "The Complete Small Shop" which came with my recent Shopnotes subscription. I'll get a picture of it this weekend if anyone would like to see it.

Heres what I'd like to get some input on. I'm thinking about taking my TS off it's legs and mounting it to a rolling cabinet that would include removing the right cast iron wing and build a full size router table between the rails. I built one before that fit beyond the wing but it was way to small. This would be built to eliminate my current table and gain some floor space. I'm considering an Incra ultra or ls for a fence because I think it would be easy to take on and off. But may not go that high tech. Does any of this sound reasonable for my situation? I hate to get rid of my router table,but it's not like it would be going to the dump. I would give it to my dad, who does a little woodworking, and that may get him to do more.

**bobj3** · 03-15-2008, 12:00 PM

Hi Rusty

Just my 2 cents,,, why not just go for it, as you know by now most router table tops DON't need to be much bigger than the router mounting plate, 9" x 12" or 11" x 11" the norm, most of the jobs you do on the router table will fit in the plate size, there are some times it needs to be a bit longer to support the longer stock but that can be over come with a flip up extension ...and many times you will not need the extension at all..

So I would say go for it and remove it and pass on the table to your dad..

To make my point do you recall the guy on the forum that had 3 routers in one table top and in one cabinet, his space for each router was not more than the mounting plate....for each router station....

I'm not to sure why I started to use a big router table other than I drive a BIG Ford pickup F250 4 x 4 like most Americans it's got to bigger than the next guys tool LOL LOL LOL ...

and now they make pills for the male Americans just for that..., I once heard someone say it's not the size of the tool it's what you can do it with it.. LOL LOL

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Originally Posted by RustyW

Well as I've mentioned before, my "shop" is about 1/2 of a cluttered single car garage. In this space I have Delta contractors saw,router table,14" bandsaw,sliding miter saw,planer,spindle sander,drill press,scroll saw,3 shopvacs,and lots of power tools. In order to do any work, the larger items are rolled outside to be used. When the weather is bad or it's dark, theres no room to work inside. I recently built a flip top stand which now holds the planer and mitersaw. I think it's the first project I've built from a plan. It was in a book called "The Complete Small Shop" which came with my recent Shopnotes subscription. I'll get a picture of it this weekend if anyone would like to see it.

Heres what I'd like to get some input on. I'm thinking about taking my TS off it's legs and mounting it to a rolling cabinet that would include removing the right cast iron wing and build a full size router table between the rails. I built one before that fit beyond the wing but it was way to small. This would be built to eliminate my current table and gain some floor space. I'm considering an Incra ultra or ls for a fence because I think it would be easy to take on and off. But may not go that high tech. Does any of this sound reasonable for my situation? I hate to get rid of my router table,but it's not like it would be going to the dump. I would give it to my dad, who does a little woodworking, and that may get him to do more.

Hamlin · 03-15-2008, 03:56 PM

Hi Rusty,

Why would you have to remove the right wing from your TS? Just add to it, or put the RT on the left side of your TS. This would give you more table room for both, the TS & the router. Having it be mobile IMHO is the best way to go anyways. Especially for small shops. My TS & router table are both "mobile" Perhaps I'm not seeing things the same way as you are.

RustyW · 04-27-2008, 06:23 AM

I'm the type of guy who keeps things kinda bottled up inside so I'd like to give a quick note about my dad, that I've not yet mentioned here. I'm 42 years old, married, with 3 young children. My dad is now 66. On Easter sunday 07, after splitting the day at both sets of grandparents, my mom called to tell me that my dad had gotten sick. Around midnight she took him to the ER and x-ray showed pneumonia. The next day at work, she called and said the "shadow" they saw was actually cancer. It's nothing they can cure or get rid of but they are controlling it with meds. So now, a year later, on his b-bay (4-20) my mom got him one of those new Craftsman router combos and I gave him my router table.

Anyway (sorry for the downer post) heres how my project is turning out. I wanted to increase space by combining my rt and ts. I started out by building a large rolling platform to carry both the saw and router table. I set out to rip a sheet of 3/4" ply (the long way) by myself with saw horses (shorter than the saw to catch the cut-offs). As I neared the end of the cut,pushing down and forward as hard as I could, I realized, I don't want this heavy saw up on round casters(locked or not). So where to go from here? I thought about my skis I built as promised, but then had nowhere to use. So what about a larger rt that could double as a workbench.

Well here it is all most done (had to be built on the cheap). Top is 2 layers of mdf wrapped in sappele 32"x60". Router box on end is ply with sappele face frame Table frame is doudled 2x4's to create half lapped 4x's all on Hart design casters. Even with the Craftsman box (got on clearance) I think I,m under $120 on this. For a fence, I did pickup a 16" Incra ultra from grizzly on amazon for $150. But I may just use a simple clamp on fence for general routing. As opposed to making a sliding sub fence that fits the Incra.

When I get this finished I will get started on some type of jig holder to use on it with my skis.

Hamlin · 04-27-2008, 09:47 AM

Hi Rusty,

Sorry to hear about your dad. The table, looks good.

**bobj3** · 04-27-2008, 11:20 AM

Hi Rusty

Looking good

Here's a snapshot or two what I use for the Ski jig,, I should have made it just a bit bigger but it works well,,,I use Allen Cap screws to hold the cams in place I just cut off some 2" dowel rod and drilled the holes in them,,, I also use 10-24 tee nuts to screw the Allen cap screws in to I did remove the sharp points from the tee nuts and just press and glued them in place I use over a 100 tee nuts and I wish I had used more they are on 1" centers ,it takes a bit of time to drill the couter sink holes for the tee nuts but once they are dilled it done so to speak.....
Make the base board as square as you can the ski jig can use it for a guide and I use it that way alot of the time....you talk about a easy way to put in mortise slots, just move the router to the right spot and drop and slot with a scrap board under the board,,,,I also clamp a stop blocks on the table top to get the slots just right, it works well for 1/4" stock to 2 1/2" thick stock...

The more you use the jig, you will say like I did I don't know how I got along without out...
I have a block screwed on the back side so I can just drop it into the hole for the router plate..
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A good place to get the tee nuts and socket cap screws or socket flat head cap screws at the right price see link below, just type in tee nuts or what ever you are looking for...
http://www.mcmaster.com/

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Dr.Zook · 04-27-2008, 09:25 PM

Bj on your base, is it made with 3/4" MDF? Thanks Bob.

**bobj3** · 04-27-2008, 10:16 PM

Hi Dave

You go it right

plus it has about 4 coats of Johnson & Johnson floor wax on it to keep it clean...and to seal the lines that I use to line up the stock...

I did go back and added some more tee nuts but I need to add some more can't have to many of them....

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Bj on your base, is it made with 3/4" MDF? Thanks Bob.

**challagan** · 04-27-2008, 11:19 PM

Looks good Rusty! Sorry to hear about your Dad, hang in there.

Corey

Dr.Zook · 04-27-2008, 11:39 PM

Sorry Rusty. Kind of highjacked your thread. I am truely sorry to hear of your Dads condition. I will say a prayer for him.
The table looks sturdy enough to work. I assume these Hart casters do lock? I would hate to hear of you chasing it down the driveway.

03-15-2008, 01:08 AM	#1
RustyW Registered User Forum Geek Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Oroville CA, USA First Name: Rusty Posts: 313 View RustyW's Gallery	Report This Post! Thinking Outloud Well as I've mentioned before, my "shop" is about 1/2 of a cluttered single car garage. In this space I have Delta contractors saw,router table,14" bandsaw,sliding miter saw,planer,spindle sander,drill press,scroll saw,3 shopvacs,and lots of power tools. In order to do any work, the larger items are rolled outside to be used. When the weather is bad or it's dark, theres no room to work inside. I recently built a flip top stand which now holds the planer and mitersaw. I think it's the first project I've built from a plan. It was in a book called "The Complete Small Shop" which came with my recent Shopnotes subscription. I'll get a picture of it this weekend if anyone would like to see it. Heres what I'd like to get some input on. I'm thinking about taking my TS off it's legs and mounting it to a rolling cabinet that would include removing the right cast iron wing and build a full size router table between the rails. I built one before that fit beyond the wing but it was way to small. This would be built to eliminate my current table and gain some floor space. I'm considering an Incra ultra or ls for a fence because I think it would be easy to take on and off. But may not go that high tech. Does any of this sound reasonable for my situation? I hate to get rid of my router table,but it's not like it would be going to the dump. I would give it to my dad, who does a little woodworking, and that may get him to do more. __________________ Rusty If You Want It Bad, You Get It Bad The Worse You Want It, The Worse You Get It
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03-15-2008, 03:56 PM	#3
Hamlin Registered User Supreme Forum King Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Baldwin City, KS First Name: Ken Posts: 1,532 View Hamlin's Gallery	Report This Post! Hi Rusty, Why would you have to remove the right wing from your TS? Just add to it, or put the RT on the left side of your TS. This would give you more table room for both, the TS & the router. Having it be mobile IMHO is the best way to go anyways. Especially for small shops. My TS & router table are both "mobile" Perhaps I'm not seeing things the same way as you are. __________________ Ken "A VETERAN" "Whether active duty, retired, national guard or reserve - is someone who, at one point in their life, wrote a blank check made payable to "The United States of America", for an amount of "up to and including my life". That is HONOR, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it." -Author Unknown
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04-27-2008, 06:23 AM	#4
RustyW Registered User Forum Geek Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Oroville CA, USA First Name: Rusty Posts: 313 View RustyW's Gallery	Report This Post! How it's turning out I'm the type of guy who keeps things kinda bottled up inside so I'd like to give a quick note about my dad, that I've not yet mentioned here. I'm 42 years old, married, with 3 young children. My dad is now 66. On Easter sunday 07, after splitting the day at both sets of grandparents, my mom called to tell me that my dad had gotten sick. Around midnight she took him to the ER and x-ray showed pneumonia. The next day at work, she called and said the "shadow" they saw was actually cancer. It's nothing they can cure or get rid of but they are controlling it with meds. So now, a year later, on his b-bay (4-20) my mom got him one of those new Craftsman router combos and I gave him my router table. Anyway (sorry for the downer post) heres how my project is turning out. I wanted to increase space by combining my rt and ts. I started out by building a large rolling platform to carry both the saw and router table. I set out to rip a sheet of 3/4" ply (the long way) by myself with saw horses (shorter than the saw to catch the cut-offs). As I neared the end of the cut,pushing down and forward as hard as I could, I realized, I don't want this heavy saw up on round casters(locked or not). So where to go from here? I thought about my skis I built as promised, but then had nowhere to use. So what about a larger rt that could double as a workbench. Well here it is all most done (had to be built on the cheap). Top is 2 layers of mdf wrapped in sappele 32"x60". Router box on end is ply with sappele face frame Table frame is doudled 2x4's to create half lapped 4x's all on Hart design casters. Even with the Craftsman box (got on clearance) I think I,m under $120 on this. For a fence, I did pickup a 16" Incra ultra from grizzly on amazon for $150. But I may just use a simple clamp on fence for general routing. As opposed to making a sliding sub fence that fits the Incra. When I get this finished I will get started on some type of jig holder to use on it with my skis. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Rusty If You Want It Bad, You Get It Bad The Worse You Want It, The Worse You Get It Last edited by Mike; 04-28-2008 at 03:30 AM.
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04-27-2008, 09:47 AM	#5
Hamlin Registered User Supreme Forum King Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Baldwin City, KS First Name: Ken Posts: 1,532 View Hamlin's Gallery	Report This Post! Hi Rusty, Sorry to hear about your dad. The table, looks good. __________________ Ken "A VETERAN" "Whether active duty, retired, national guard or reserve - is someone who, at one point in their life, wrote a blank check made payable to "The United States of America", for an amount of "up to and including my life". That is HONOR, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it." -Author Unknown
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04-27-2008, 11:20 AM	#6
bobj3 Forum Contributer Supreme Forum King Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Littleton,Colorado U.S.A. Posts: 8,061 View bobj3's Gallery	Report This Post! Hi Rusty Looking good Here's a snapshot or two what I use for the Ski jig,, I should have made it just a bit bigger but it works well,,,I use Allen Cap screws to hold the cams in place I just cut off some 2" dowel rod and drilled the holes in them,,, I also use 10-24 tee nuts to screw the Allen cap screws in to I did remove the sharp points from the tee nuts and just press and glued them in place I use over a 100 tee nuts and I wish I had used more they are on 1" centers ,it takes a bit of time to drill the couter sink holes for the tee nuts but once they are dilled it done so to speak..... Make the base board as square as you can the ski jig can use it for a guide and I use it that way alot of the time....you talk about a easy way to put in mortise slots, just move the router to the right spot and drop and slot with a scrap board under the board,,,,I also clamp a stop blocks on the table top to get the slots just right, it works well for 1/4" stock to 2 1/2" thick stock... The more you use the jig, you will say like I did I don't know how I got along without out... I have a block screwed on the back side so I can just drop it into the hole for the router plate.. ========= A good place to get the tee nuts and socket cap screws or socket flat head cap screws at the right price see link below, just type in tee nuts or what ever you are looking for... http://www.mcmaster.com/ ============== Attached Thumbnails __________________ PodCast videos RWS on YouTube http://www.routerforums.com/86898-post1.html Besure and click on the Up Arrow key ▲ on the Youtube video, you can select other youtube videos on router tables http://www.woodworkingonline.com/?s=dovetail Machine Cut ▼ http://www.woodworkingonline.com/200...cut-dovetails/ http://www.woodworkingonline.com/woo...podcast-store/ http://www.woodshopdemos.com/menu2.htm Bob J. Last edited by bobj3; 04-28-2008 at 10:45 AM.
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04-27-2008, 09:25 PM	#7
Dr.Zook Official Greeter Supreme Forum King Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: New Lebanon, Ohio "USA" First Name: Dave or "Doc" Posts: 4,566 View Dr.Zook's Gallery	Report This Post! Base thickness? Bj on your base, is it made with 3/4" MDF? Thanks Bob. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Dave the "Doctor" In woodworking there is no scrap, only firewood.
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04-27-2008, 11:19 PM	#9
challagan Retired Moderator Supreme Forum King Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Iowa Posts: 3,994 View challagan's Gallery	Report This Post! Looks good Rusty! Sorry to hear about your Dad, hang in there. Corey __________________ My Carving Website: The Iowa Woodcarver http://iowacarver.tripod.com/ My Shop Website - Woodshop 51503 http://woodshop51503.tripod.com/
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04-27-2008, 11:39 PM	#10
Dr.Zook Official Greeter Supreme Forum King Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: New Lebanon, Ohio "USA" First Name: Dave or "Doc" Posts: 4,566 View Dr.Zook's Gallery	Report This Post! Sorry Rusty. Kind of highjacked your thread. I am truely sorry to hear of your Dads condition. I will say a prayer for him. The table looks sturdy enough to work. I assume these Hart casters do lock? I would hate to hear of you chasing it down the driveway. __________________ Dave the "Doctor" In woodworking there is no scrap, only firewood.
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