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**harrysin** · 08-05-2007, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Lyddon

Harry, I think you and Tom are very good and clever diplomats.

Just curious... what is your definition of
"we shall meet each other half way!"?

Joe, I have my diplomats hat on at the moment and think you are probably one of the few on the forum who didn't understand my meaning, so I shall have to spell it out.
Some members of the forum tend to take offence at the way that Tom sometimes words things and I attempt to smooth the waters so to speak, so what I meant was simply in time it would be nice if MY routing skills improved and TOM'S way with words improved, thereby meeting halfway.

Joe Lyddon · 08-05-2007, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harrysin

Joe, I have my diplomats hat on at the moment and think you are probably one of the few on the forum who didn't understand my meaning, so I shall have to spell it out.
Some members of the forum tend to take offence at the way that Tom sometimes words things and I attempt to smooth the waters so to speak, so what I meant was simply in time it would be nice if MY routing skills improved and TOM'S way with words improved, thereby meeting halfway.

Harry,

I'm NOT offended by your choice of words... I just didn't know what you meant by it...

To me, this Forum has always been up to sharing methods, techniques, etc. with each other... Everybody DOES it... ALL the time... There is no 'meeting anyone halfway' or 'converting' people to do it another way... It's presented, talked about, commented on, improvements discussed, alternates discussed, redesigned, tried as desired, reviewed, and left at that.

... and I hope I'm NOT offending you or Tom... NOT trying to...

Take care...

Drugstore Cowboy · 08-05-2007, 02:12 PM

Well -- I stirred up this whole thing - sorry --
I was not so much offended by anything as - surprised --

When I first stumbled onto this forum -- I was excited to see a place just like Joe described -

". . .It's presented, talked about, commented on, improvements discussed, alternates discussed, redesigned, tried as desired, reviewed, and left at that. "

But more and more here lately I have seen particular procedures that have been presented with terms like -
"convince people" "keep the pressure up" and that people who didn't use this procedure were just "doing what they have always done" not really thinking, and if that procedure wasn't the one being discussed you weren't really discussing routing. And if someone chose to do something different -
it was like it sas a personal rejection.

I'm sorry --- but that whole attitude just throws me -
I've been around it in other contexts - religious / political etc --
and it just grates -
It came as a surprise to me here because it seemed really out of place in a forum dedicated to a free and open exchange.

None of this may have been meant the way it was said --- but that is one of the weaknesses of text --- you cant see grins or hear the inflection of the voice -- you can only go by what is said.
I fall victim to that myself - since dry humor does not convey well in print.

I did not mean to offend anyone in any way -
I've never met anyone on here - so nothing I say is personal in any way.
And by that same token I dont know anyone here well enough to be offended BY them. If someone likes my thoughts/ideas I'm glad -- if not -- I figure it's because you have something that works better for you - and I am happy for you and eager to see it--

I would suggest that ANY idea you want to promote will get a better hearing from a wider selection of people if it is presented in the way Joe and Harry describe.

I've been told I was like an old hunk of rope.
You can lead/pull me almost anywhere - and I will tend to go along and work with you --
but if you try to PUSH me -- I'm just gonna pile up on you.
I suspect there are a lot more people like me - they just keep their mouths shut.
THAT unfortunately is a skill I haven't developed very well.
I promise to work on it. :-)

Joe Lyddon · 08-05-2007, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drugstore Cowboy

Well -- I stirred up this whole thing - sorry --
I was not so much offended by anything as - surprised --

When I first stumbled onto this forum -- I was excited to see a place just like Joe described -

". . .It's presented, talked about, commented on, improvements discussed, alternates discussed, redesigned, tried as desired, reviewed, and left at that. "

But more and more here lately I have seen particular procedures that have been presented with terms like -
"convince people" "keep the pressure up" and that people who didn't use this procedure were just "doing what they have always done" not really thinking, and if that procedure wasn't the one being discussed you weren't really discussing routing. And if someone chose to do something different -
it was like it sas a personal rejection.

I'm sorry --- but that whole attitude just throws me -
I've been around it in other contexts - religious / political etc --
and it just grates -
It came as a surprise to me here because it seemed really out of place in a forum dedicated to a free and open exchange.

None of this may have been meant the way it was said --- but that is one of the weaknesses of text --- you cant see grins or hear the inflection of the voice -- you can only go by what is said.
I fall victim to that myself - since dry humor does not convey well in print.

I did not mean to offend anyone in any way -
I've never met anyone on here - so nothing I say is personal in any way.
And by that same token I dont know anyone here well enough to be offended BY them. If someone likes my thoughts/ideas I'm glad -- if not -- I figure it's because you have something that works better for you - and I am happy for you and eager to see it--

I would suggest that ANY idea you want to promote will get a better hearing from a wider selection of people if it is presented in the way Joe and Harry describe.

I've been told I was like an old hunk of rope.
You can lead/pull me almost anywhere - and I will tend to go along and work with you --
but if you try to PUSH me -- I'm just gonna pile up on you.
I suspect there are a lot more people like me - they just keep their mouths shut.
THAT unfortunately is a skill I haven't developed very well.
I promise to work on it. :-)

Hi Druggie...

I guess it's "language" thing... as described to me...

Don't get too excited about it... I'm sure it wasn't meant to offend anyone... It's the "choice of words" that is the reason, etc.

I know the feeling... Perhaps it's more apparent now that I'm not the only one that doesn't quite understand the "choice of words" once in awhile...

I'm sure Harry and Tom will take this as constructive criticism and not be offended by any of it. Hope so, anyway.

Till then, take care...

Joe Lyddon · 08-05-2007, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harrysin

Greg, how can ANY woodworker now have an excuse to not make a set of skis?
You sure are a lateral thinker, you did a great job of designing and making them, I'm sure Tom will feel that he is at last making progress, I know that he was becoming despondent in his quest for some acceptance of his methods.

Harry, in the above "choice of words", it appears to me that you and Tom are out to "promote" Tom's methods... and you're "making progress", etc.

Tom is "becoming despondent in his quest"?

Those choice of words look pretty clear to me...

Perhaps Tom should setup his own website and merely have a link to it from this Forum as well as other Forums to promote his methods and perhaps sell new DVD's that will be available in the near future? Then, maybe he won't feel so bad.

All of this is being said "tongue in cheek"...

It's this attitude that Druggie, etc. are talking about.

Hope you had a good nights sleep...

**harrysin** · 08-06-2007, 03:30 AM

"All of this is being said "tongue in cheek".."

That's not how it comes over Joe, perhaps Tom isn't the only one who has difficulty with their choice of words. I have a very thick skin, and so long as the general opinion is that Tom and I carry on as we are, then at least I shall, that is as long as the MAJORITY want it that way.
No offence taken by me Joe, please carry on Skyping and emailing me to prove it.

AxlMyk · 08-06-2007, 07:01 AM

Holy Moly, did this thread get hijacked, or what?

**harrysin** · 08-06-2007, 07:56 AM

It sure looks like it. Perhaps it might be a good idea to have a special place where those who wish can release their pent up emotions!

Drugstore Cowboy · 08-06-2007, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harrysin

It sure looks like it. Perhaps it might be a good idea to have a special place where those who wish can release their pent up emotions!

That appears to be the result -- but it certainly wasn't my intent.
The question was asked - why would anyone not do this -
and --yes -- I know it was a rhetorical question --
BUT -- I proposed some answers anyway --
At this point we were still pretty much on-topic -----

BUT -- it kinda went downhill from there.

**harrysin** · 08-06-2007, 10:13 AM

You're in no way to blame Cowboy, it stops us all from going to sleep at the keyboard.

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Drugstore Cowboy Registered User Forum Geek Join Date: May 2007 Location: Fort Worth, Tx Posts: 439 View Drugstore Cowboy's Gallery	Report This Post! Well -- I stirred up this whole thing - sorry -- I was not so much offended by anything as - surprised -- When I first stumbled onto this forum -- I was excited to see a place just like Joe described - ". . .It's presented, talked about, commented on, improvements discussed, alternates discussed, redesigned, tried as desired, reviewed, and left at that. " But more and more here lately I have seen particular procedures that have been presented with terms like - "convince people" "keep the pressure up" and that people who didn't use this procedure were just "doing what they have always done" not really thinking, and if that procedure wasn't the one being discussed you weren't really discussing routing. And if someone chose to do something different - it was like it sas a personal rejection. I'm sorry --- but that whole attitude just throws me - I've been around it in other contexts - religious / political etc -- and it just grates - It came as a surprise to me here because it seemed really out of place in a forum dedicated to a free and open exchange. None of this may have been meant the way it was said --- but that is one of the weaknesses of text --- you cant see grins or hear the inflection of the voice -- you can only go by what is said. I fall victim to that myself - since dry humor does not convey well in print. I did not mean to offend anyone in any way - I've never met anyone on here - so nothing I say is personal in any way. And by that same token I dont know anyone here well enough to be offended BY them. If someone likes my thoughts/ideas I'm glad -- if not -- I figure it's because you have something that works better for you - and I am happy for you and eager to see it-- I would suggest that ANY idea you want to promote will get a better hearing from a wider selection of people if it is presented in the way Joe and Harry describe. I've been told I was like an old hunk of rope. You can lead/pull me almost anywhere - and I will tend to go along and work with you -- but if you try to PUSH me -- I'm just gonna pile up on you. I suspect there are a lot more people like me - they just keep their mouths shut. THAT unfortunately is a skill I haven't developed very well. I promise to work on it. :-) Last edited by Drugstore Cowboy; 08-05-2007 at 02:15 PM.
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harrysin Forum Contributer Supreme Forum King Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Western Australia Posts: 3,327 View harrysin's Gallery	Report This Post! "All of this is being said "tongue in cheek".." That's not how it comes over Joe, perhaps Tom isn't the only one who has difficulty with their choice of words. I have a very thick skin, and so long as the general opinion is that Tom and I carry on as we are, then at least I shall, that is as long as the MAJORITY want it that way. No offence taken by me Joe, please carry on Skyping and emailing me to prove it. __________________ *Harry*
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