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template tom · 09-18-2006, 02:00 AM

I recently attended a what was to be a demonstration on Butterfly cutter and Birdsmouth cutters. Curious to see what a birdsmouth cutter was intended for I fronted up to the demo. Unfortunately the demonstrator had been asked the night before to show the cutters and therefore he had little time if any to prepare the demo therefore it was in my mind a flop as people left still not knowing the use of the Birdsmouth Cutters.
We were presented with the cutter (Birdsmouth) actually there were three of them, without any explaination so it got me thinking as to how they were to be used. I spent some time at my computer and drew up the answer. I had never seen them advertized in any catalogue before that day. Has anyone any experience and comment on the use of the cutters. I certainly can see merit in their use
Tom

Woodnut65 · 09-18-2006, 06:11 AM

Hi Tom: I have the three birds mouth cutters, and I have used them to construt rounded objects ie; a waste basket out of cherry lumber to match a vanity. The birds mouth shapewere used in building masts for boats, it allows the strips of wood to interlock, and once glued and dry a plane or other cutting/smoothing tool may be used to make it round. The three cutters are for making cylinders using different numbes of of slats, for different circumferences. Hope this helps> Woodnut65

**bobj3** · 09-18-2006, 09:21 AM

Hi Tom

Just checking to see if we are on the same page ?

If so,I use the Edge Banding bits all the time but I don't use the Butterfly bit because it's a pain to setup.

Edge Banding Router Bit Sets
#7732 and #7733

C1538 90° V-Groove Bit (Male) w/ Bearing Guide, 1/2" Shank
C1537 90° V-Groove Bit (Female), 1/2" Shank

http://www.mlcswoodworking.com/shops...banding_anchor

http://www.grizzly.com/products/c1538
http://www.grizzly.com/products/c1537
http://www.grizzly.com/products/c1530
http://www.grizzly.com/products/c1531

Is there such a thing as a double-dovetail bit
http://www.pricecutter.com/product.a...cd2=1158588552
http://www.routerforums.com/tools-wo...etail-bit.html

Bj

template tom · 09-18-2006, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woodnut65

Hi Tom: I have the three birds mouth cutters, and I have used them to construt rounded objects ie; a waste basket out of cherry lumber to match a vanity. The birds mouth shapewere used in building masts for boats, it allows the strips of wood to interlock, and once glued and dry a plane or other cutting/smoothing tool may be used to make it round. The three cutters are for making cylinders using different numbes of of slats, for different circumferences. Hope this helps> Woodnut65

Thanks for the reply and as I said they had some merit for their use to do exactly what you said you used them for. It was the first time I had seen the cutters the name intriqued me as I had made many Birdsmouths in my time as a carpenter but on roof jointing so I was interested to see the result with a router cutter.
Thanks for your reply and wondering if others have used them.
Tom

template tom · 09-18-2006, 06:23 PM

[quote=bobj3]Hi Tom

Just checking to see if we are on the same page ?

If so,I use the Edge Banding bits all the time but I don't use the Butterfly bit because it's a pain to setup.

Edge Banding Router Bit Sets
#7732 and #7733

Not really the same page Bob these were used to construct masts as explained below but they were new to me

Never having used the Buterfly Bit either I do have to agree it is a pain to set up at least the demonstrator thought the same with the results he was getting

Is there such a thing as a double-dovetail bit
I would not like to say No to this question as I was surprized to see the Birdsmouth

template tom · 09-18-2006, 06:30 PM

I have enclosed one of my drawing I completed after seeing the cutters on display This may assist others who like me had never seen them before
Tom

labric · 09-18-2006, 06:51 PM

Tom

Your drawing or sketch is right on!!!

The birds-mouth bit comes in three sizes for either a 6, 8, 12 or 16 sided cylinder or cone and can be used to make columns, planters, bowls or elaborate corner details.

I have never had the opportunity to use a birds-mouth but have seen them in the local Lee Valley store and catalogue.

Here are two links, you may find interesting, one being Lee Valley and the other a shop tip from Wood magazine for your information.

Lee Valley

http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...,45160&p=45160

Wood Magazine
http://www.woodmagazine.com/wood/sto...8238761687.xml

Hope this helps those who may be interested in using these bits.

Ric

**bobj3** · 09-18-2006, 07:14 PM

Hi Tom

http://www.pricecutter.com/product.a...cd2=1158622895

http://www.woodline.com/scripts/prod...?idproduct=607
-----------------------

Also called Multi-Sided Glue Joint Bits

http://www.mlcswoodworking.com/shops...ed_glue_anchor

Great Links Ric

I ordered a set from MLCS tonight because of the 3rd. snapshot below

Think out side of the box ,it's great way to make a corner joint.

Can't wait to give it a try out...and with a 1/8" x 3/8" spline it would be a strong joint.

Bj

template tom · 09-19-2006, 06:26 PM

Thanks Labric and Bob for including the pics you say you are never too old to learn so I certainly did learn something since last weekend and you are right we must think outside the square. I suppose that is what I have been trying to get others to do when it comes to using the template guides. Think outside the Square and you will find greater use for the template guides That is why I think we should have a topic on Template guides I could fill a book on how they are used actually I have. When I was conducting router workshops I began introducing the acccessories like the side fence attachment and demonstrated how it was used. Not a great deal you can do with the attachment you may well ask! well I use it for my circle cutting jig my elliptical cutting jig it is great for a router support I produced when routing the edges.

There was at one time a trimming accessory which has now been removed from most router accessories since the introduction to the cutters with bearings.

The template guide was the other accessory supplied at the time of purchase, and this was the remainder of my three hour instruction. How to get more from your router with the aid of the template guides. I introduced a variety of guides and showed them how they were used. Thinking outside the square was important and that is what I have been doing when it came to using template guides for a number of years. I am still convinced that there are router enthusiasts who still do not use the guides
Tom

**bobj3** · 09-19-2006, 07:13 PM

Hi Tom

I know I'm not the sharpest pencil in the box

that said, I think a topic on Template Guides would be great BUT I would suggest you bring your tutorials down just a bit you are to smart and you know way to much and your URLs/post show that and it's hard for me to read and follow some of them , you need to make it simple.

PLEASE take this the right way Tom

Bj

09-18-2006, 02:00 AM	#1
template tom Registered User Forum King Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 518 View template tom's Gallery	Birdsmouth Cutters I recently attended a what was to be a demonstration on Butterfly cutter and Birdsmouth cutters. Curious to see what a birdsmouth cutter was intended for I fronted up to the demo. Unfortunately the demonstrator had been asked the night before to show the cutters and therefore he had little time if any to prepare the demo therefore it was in my mind a flop as people left still not knowing the use of the Birdsmouth Cutters. We were presented with the cutter (Birdsmouth) actually there were three of them, without any explaination so it got me thinking as to how they were to be used. I spent some time at my computer and drew up the answer. I had never seen them advertized in any catalogue before that day. Has anyone any experience and comment on the use of the cutters. I certainly can see merit in their use Tom Last edited by template tom; 09-18-2006 at 02:04 AM.
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09-18-2006, 06:11 AM	#2
Woodnut65 Registered User Forum Geek Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 338 View Woodnut65's Gallery	Hi Tom: I have the three birds mouth cutters, and I have used them to construt rounded objects ie; a waste basket out of cherry lumber to match a vanity. The birds mouth shapewere used in building masts for boats, it allows the strips of wood to interlock, and once glued and dry a plane or other cutting/smoothing tool may be used to make it round. The three cutters are for making cylinders using different numbes of of slats, for different circumferences. Hope this helps> Woodnut65
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09-18-2006, 09:21 AM	#3
bobj3 Forum Contributer Supreme Forum King Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Littleton,Colorado U.S.A. Posts: 7,140 View bobj3's Gallery	Hi Tom Just checking to see if we are on the same page ? If so,I use the Edge Banding bits all the time but I don't use the Butterfly bit because it's a pain to setup. Edge Banding Router Bit Sets #7732 and #7733 C1538 90° V-Groove Bit (Male) w/ Bearing Guide, 1/2" Shank C1537 90° V-Groove Bit (Female), 1/2" Shank http://www.mlcswoodworking.com/shops...banding_anchor http://www.grizzly.com/products/c1538 http://www.grizzly.com/products/c1537 http://www.grizzly.com/products/c1530 http://www.grizzly.com/products/c1531 Is there such a thing as a double-dovetail bit http://www.pricecutter.com/product.a...cd2=1158588552 http://www.routerforums.com/tools-wo...etail-bit.html Bj __________________ *Router Tables plans FREE, plus more* http://www.absolutelyfreeplans.com/W...p_projects.htm Router Tip Archive http://www.routerworkshop.com/router_tip_glossary.html Calculators http://www.routerforums.com/dynamic-calculators/
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09-18-2006, 06:23 PM	#5
template tom Registered User Forum King Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 518 View template tom's Gallery	[quote=bobj3]Hi Tom Just checking to see if we are on the same page ? If so,I use the Edge Banding bits all the time but I don't use the Butterfly bit because it's a pain to setup. Edge Banding Router Bit Sets #7732 and #7733 Not really the same page Bob these were used to construct masts as explained below but they were new to me Never having used the Buterfly Bit either I do have to agree it is a pain to set up at least the demonstrator thought the same with the results he was getting Is there such a thing as a double-dovetail bit I would not like to say No to this question as I was surprized to see the Birdsmouth
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09-18-2006, 06:30 PM	#6
template tom Registered User Forum King Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 518 View template tom's Gallery	Birdsmouth Cutters I have enclosed one of my drawing I completed after seeing the cutters on display This may assist others who like me had never seen them before Tom Attached Thumbnails
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09-18-2006, 06:51 PM	#7
labric Registered User Sr. Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 70 View labric's Gallery	Tom Your drawing or sketch is right on!!! The birds-mouth bit comes in three sizes for either a 6, 8, 12 or 16 sided cylinder or cone and can be used to make columns, planters, bowls or elaborate corner details. I have never had the opportunity to use a birds-mouth but have seen them in the local Lee Valley store and catalogue. Here are two links, you may find interesting, one being Lee Valley and the other a shop tip from Wood magazine for your information. Lee Valley http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...,45160&p=45160 Wood Magazine http://www.woodmagazine.com/wood/sto...8238761687.xml Hope this helps those who may be interested in using these bits. Ric Attached Thumbnails __________________ Start Safe!!! Finish Safe !!!
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09-18-2006, 07:14 PM	#8
bobj3 Forum Contributer Supreme Forum King Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Littleton,Colorado U.S.A. Posts: 7,140 View bobj3's Gallery	Hi Tom http://www.pricecutter.com/product.a...cd2=1158622895 http://www.woodline.com/scripts/prod...?idproduct=607 ----------------------- Also called Multi-Sided Glue Joint Bits http://www.mlcswoodworking.com/shops...ed_glue_anchor Great Links Ric I ordered a set from MLCS tonight because of the 3rd. snapshot below Think out side of the box ,it's great way to make a corner joint. Can't wait to give it a try out...and with a 1/8" x 3/8" spline it would be a strong joint. Bj Attached Thumbnails __________________ *Router Tables plans FREE, plus more* http://www.absolutelyfreeplans.com/W...p_projects.htm Router Tip Archive http://www.routerworkshop.com/router_tip_glossary.html Calculators http://www.routerforums.com/dynamic-calculators/ Last edited by bobj3; 09-20-2006 at 11:29 AM.
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09-19-2006, 06:26 PM	#9
template tom Registered User Forum King Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 518 View template tom's Gallery	Birdsmouth Cutters Thanks Labric and Bob for including the pics you say you are never too old to learn so I certainly did learn something since last weekend and you are right we must think outside the square. I suppose that is what I have been trying to get others to do when it comes to using the template guides. Think outside the Square and you will find greater use for the template guides That is why I think we should have a topic on Template guides I could fill a book on how they are used actually I have. When I was conducting router workshops I began introducing the acccessories like the side fence attachment and demonstrated how it was used. Not a great deal you can do with the attachment you may well ask! well I use it for my circle cutting jig my elliptical cutting jig it is great for a router support I produced when routing the edges. There was at one time a trimming accessory which has now been removed from most router accessories since the introduction to the cutters with bearings. The template guide was the other accessory supplied at the time of purchase, and this was the remainder of my three hour instruction. How to get more from your router with the aid of the template guides. I introduced a variety of guides and showed them how they were used. Thinking outside the square was important and that is what I have been doing when it came to using template guides for a number of years. I am still convinced that there are router enthusiasts who still do not use the guides Tom
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09-19-2006, 07:13 PM	#10
bobj3 Forum Contributer Supreme Forum King Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Littleton,Colorado U.S.A. Posts: 7,140 View bobj3's Gallery	Hi Tom I know I'm not the sharpest pencil in the box that said, I think a topic on Template Guides would be great BUT I would suggest you bring your tutorials down just a bit you are to smart and you know way to much and your URLs/post show that and it's hard for me to read and follow some of them , you need to make it simple. PLEASE take this the right way Tom Bj __________________ *Router Tables plans FREE, plus more* http://www.absolutelyfreeplans.com/W...p_projects.htm Router Tip Archive http://www.routerworkshop.com/router_tip_glossary.html Calculators http://www.routerforums.com/dynamic-calculators/ Last edited by bobj3; 09-20-2006 at 02:38 PM.
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