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reible · 05-03-2006, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by bradleyjere

Point made. I didn't think about the pain of extra hose to drag around while routing. I will figure out a diffent method of keeping my shop clean!

Also, I have been reading through reible's experience with the Hitachi. I had not previously considered that router to be honest. I am going to stop at the store on the way home today and give it a look. I like the sound of the really quite motor which I believed could only be had with the Makita.

I can tell you I really like the quite of the Hitachi router... in fact I think that is one of the reasons I seem to use it so much more then the other ones now. I can not speak for the Makita as I have not heard it running but I'm sure they both quiet. According to Makita web site it is rated at 81dB while the Hitachi is 79.5dB. Remember with dB ratings you will not hear much difference if they are with in 3 dB of each other (limits of our hearing). Since they are with in 1.5dB you should not be able to hear the difference.

I don't know if you are getting the "deal, no deal" offers from Rocklers but in the last couple of days they had the Hitachi KM12VC in my listing for $150 down from the regular price of $180. This is the one with the variable speed, two bases, set of template guides, case and a few more goodies. If I didn't already have 3 I might have been tempted.

Ed

**bobj3** · 05-03-2006, 11:58 AM

Just my 2 cents on Router recommendations.

Routers is the one tool in the shop that will nail you hearing, and as you get older you will be saying WHAT,WHAT,What alot when some ask you a anything.

When you buy your router buy some ear plugs they should come as standard equipment with all routers. ( but that may open a law suit or two) now days.

80db. is loud, Rick, has a neat set that he has hanging from his neck that he puts on all the time when he using the router.
I would bet you that Bob says What alot like I do from using the router for many years without ear plugs.

Bj

Hamlin · 05-03-2006, 08:43 PM

I totally agree with the combo kits, can't beat that setup. As Bob has stated, EAR PLUGS or other type of hearing protection.

bradleyjere · 05-04-2006, 09:37 AM

I am planning on using hearing protection every time I use the router. I'm 29 and I already do enough of the "What? What?" stuff.

To be honest, I am torn now between the Bosch 1617EVSPK and the Hitachi. I did take a look at the Hitachi at the store the other day and it seems to be a very good tool. At least from what I can gather by messing with it in the store. But I also have read some stuff that didn't rate the Hitachi that high. It got a bunch of good and fair ratings on it's features while the Bosch was rated as very good and excellent on most of it's features. It got the readers choice award and the editors best overall pick award. I see a lot of excellent reviews on the Bosch, but I'm having trouble finding much on the Hitachi. Since this is my first router purchase I want to go with a router that has a better established track record. But I am still torn because the price is better on the Hitachi. (I don't see that deal on Rockler's web page. Maybe they will put it up again soon to tempt me!)

reikimaster · 05-04-2006, 09:57 AM

I bought my 1617EVSPK combo with case for $159. Mine is a refurb, but knowing how products get labeled "refurbished" I have no problem with that. Basically, if it's been out of the box for any reason and gets sent back to the manufacturer, it can no longer be sold as "new".

Regardless. If you want brand new, amazon.com has them for $218 and change with free shipping. If you buy before May 8th and enter the code TOOLS10R you'll get another 10% off. So now the price would be under $200 for brand new combo.

I can't speak about the Hitachi as I have never owned or used one, but a GREAT piece of advice that's often given is to hold them in your hands and see how they feel.

**bobj3** · 05-04-2006, 09:57 AM

Bradleyjere
It was a one day sale only for 150.oo but the links below may help tempt you.

"(I don't see that deal on Rockler's web page. Maybe they will put it up again soon to tempt me!)"

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...lance&n=228013

http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=...0&Go.y=9&Go=Go

http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=...Search+Froogle

http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=...Search+Froogle

Bj

reikimaster · 05-04-2006, 10:00 AM

and using the TOOLS10R code on the one in that first link from amazon.com... you'll get it for $143.99

**bobj3** · 05-04-2006, 10:08 AM

I should note **** you can get the Hitachi or the Bosch for about the same price of $120.oo via. the Froogle search.

Just a great way to find deals on tools the Web.

Bj

reible · 05-04-2006, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bradleyjere

I am planning on using hearing protection every time I use the router. I'm 29 and I already do enough of the "What? What?" stuff.

To be honest, I am torn now between the Bosch 1617EVSPK and the Hitachi. I did take a look at the Hitachi at the store the other day and it seems to be a very good tool. At least from what I can gather by messing with it in the store. But I also have read some stuff that didn't rate the Hitachi that high. It got a bunch of good and fair ratings on it's features while the Bosch was rated as very good and excellent on most of it's features. It got the readers choice award and the editors best overall pick award. I see a lot of excellent reviews on the Bosch, but I'm having trouble finding much on the Hitachi. Since this is my first router purchase I want to go with a router that has a better established track record. But I am still torn because the price is better on the Hitachi. (I don't see that deal on Rockler's web page. Maybe they will put it up again soon to tempt me!)

Hi,

The "deal no deal" offer comes to my email address, it is a new offer every day with 5 different products. Not sure how or why I am getting them but there they are.

They do have some "people" reviews at amazon.com that might or might not help. The amazon offer mentioned of a discount (10%) is good on most tools and ends May 8th. It is a good starting point but some searching might find you a better price. Also make sure you look at the KM12VC which is the comb kit (some of the links listed the m12v which is not a comb router). Amazon will have the reviews of both routers you mentioned as well as other brands.

Someone mentioned refurbished routers... they are a way to get the price down and should be considered as another option. As you have no doubt seen the bosch had some switch and corrosion issues so they may have a large number of ones that were taken in and repaired which might lower their price??? Also Porter Cable just had a recall so if you are thinking about the 895 (I think that was the one recalled??) they have a lot of them to sell off and the price might go down on them...... well at least at the cpo site.

Routers are a hard thing to review as they seem to feel different to different people. It also has a lot to do with what you are use to... the plunge on the Hitachi feels a lot like the plunge on my Porter Cable so it feels right to me. When I tried the Bosch I didn't like the feel of their system. Does that make the Bosch system bad... no not at all but it is different. So could I get use to it and maybe like it even more then what I use now??? Who knows. I did like the feel of the fixed base on the bosch, maybe even more then the Hitachi but then I like to use the fix base to attach to the router table and end up having the plunge base to use most of the time for free hand use.... so in this case the base I like is under the router table and the base I don't like is the one in hand... hey that wouldn't have work out right for me.

OK I wasted way to much space here already so I'll stop.

Ed

bradleyjere · 05-04-2006, 03:48 PM

I requested a catalog from Rockler and they gave me the option to subscribe to their email list. Once I did that I immediatly got an email with the deal no deal stuff. Also, I found it is available from their homepage. I'll keep my eyes peeled on what they have there! Thanks!

I have considered the refurbished route but I was not sure if was worth it or not. I am sure that there is product that was simply opened and returned, but there must be ones that were returned because of issues. I am nervous about getting a router to find out there is something wrong with it. Since I am inexperienced I may not know that there is an issue for awhile.

Does anyone know if Bosch does something to distinguish it as a refurbished router? A sticker or case engraving? Again, not a big deal but I don't want some ugly sticker on my router! (Yes, I am a bit anal that way)

bobj3: thanks for the links on the different prices. I am always looking for more resources on good places to buy stuff...

05-03-2006, 11:58 AM	#12
bobj3 Forum Contributer Supreme Forum King Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Littleton,Colorado U.S.A. Posts: 8,300 View bobj3's Gallery	Report This Post! Just my 2 cents on Router recommendations. Routers is the one tool in the shop that will nail you hearing, and as you get older you will be saying WHAT,WHAT,What alot when some ask you a anything. When you buy your router buy some ear plugs they should come as standard equipment with all routers. ( but that may open a law suit or two) now days. 80db. is loud, Rick, has a neat set that he has hanging from his neck that he puts on all the time when he using the router. I would bet you that Bob says What alot like I do from using the router for many years without ear plugs. Bj
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05-03-2006, 08:43 PM	#13
Hamlin Registered User Supreme Forum King Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Baldwin City, KS First Name: Ken Posts: 1,576 View Hamlin's Gallery	Report This Post! I totally agree with the combo kits, can't beat that setup. As Bob has stated, EAR PLUGS or other type of hearing protection.
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05-04-2006, 09:37 AM	#14
bradleyjere Registered User New Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 8 View bradleyjere's Gallery	Report This Post! I am planning on using hearing protection every time I use the router. I'm 29 and I already do enough of the "What? What?" stuff. To be honest, I am torn now between the Bosch 1617EVSPK and the Hitachi. I did take a look at the Hitachi at the store the other day and it seems to be a very good tool. At least from what I can gather by messing with it in the store. But I also have read some stuff that didn't rate the Hitachi that high. It got a bunch of good and fair ratings on it's features while the Bosch was rated as very good and excellent on most of it's features. It got the readers choice award and the editors best overall pick award. I see a lot of excellent reviews on the Bosch, but I'm having trouble finding much on the Hitachi. Since this is my first router purchase I want to go with a router that has a better established track record. But I am still torn because the price is better on the Hitachi. (I don't see that deal on Rockler's web page. Maybe they will put it up again soon to tempt me!)
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05-04-2006, 09:57 AM	#15
reikimaster Registered User Forum Geek Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 233 View reikimaster's Gallery	Report This Post! I bought my 1617EVSPK combo with case for $159. Mine is a refurb, but knowing how products get labeled "refurbished" I have no problem with that. Basically, if it's been out of the box for any reason and gets sent back to the manufacturer, it can no longer be sold as "new". Regardless. If you want brand new, amazon.com has them for $218 and change with free shipping. If you buy before May 8th and enter the code TOOLS10R you'll get another 10% off. So now the price would be under $200 for brand new combo. I can't speak about the Hitachi as I have never owned or used one, but a GREAT piece of advice that's often given is to hold them in your hands and see how they feel.
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05-04-2006, 09:57 AM	#16
bobj3 Forum Contributer Supreme Forum King Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Littleton,Colorado U.S.A. Posts: 8,300 View bobj3's Gallery	Report This Post! Bradleyjere It was a one day sale only for 150.oo but the links below may help tempt you. "(I don't see that deal on Rockler's web page. Maybe they will put it up again soon to tempt me!)" http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...lance&n=228013 http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=...0&Go.y=9&Go=Go http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=...Search+Froogle http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=...Search+Froogle Bj
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05-04-2006, 10:00 AM	#17
reikimaster Registered User Forum Geek Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 233 View reikimaster's Gallery	Report This Post! and using the TOOLS10R code on the one in that first link from amazon.com... you'll get it for $143.99
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05-04-2006, 10:08 AM	#18
bobj3 Forum Contributer Supreme Forum King Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Littleton,Colorado U.S.A. Posts: 8,300 View bobj3's Gallery	Report This Post! I should note **** you can get the Hitachi or the Bosch for about the same price of $120.oo via. the Froogle search. Just a great way to find deals on tools the Web. Bj
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05-04-2006, 03:48 PM	#20
bradleyjere Registered User New Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 8 View bradleyjere's Gallery	Report This Post! I requested a catalog from Rockler and they gave me the option to subscribe to their email list. Once I did that I immediatly got an email with the deal no deal stuff. Also, I found it is available from their homepage. I'll keep my eyes peeled on what they have there! Thanks! I have considered the refurbished route but I was not sure if was worth it or not. I am sure that there is product that was simply opened and returned, but there must be ones that were returned because of issues. I am nervous about getting a router to find out there is something wrong with it. Since I am inexperienced I may not know that there is an issue for awhile. Does anyone know if Bosch does something to distinguish it as a refurbished router? A sticker or case engraving? Again, not a big deal but I don't want some ugly sticker on my router! (Yes, I am a bit anal that way) bobj3: thanks for the links on the different prices. I am always looking for more resources on good places to buy stuff...
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