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you mentioned FesTool...

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If only new layers hadn't been added....

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how large of a bit???
1617 or 1619 will work well in a table.........
1 1/2 inch....methinks I might have found my next router in the 1617. And what you said elsewhere about bearings vs bushings with Festool makes perfect sense.

Do Bosch routers have dust collection similar to Festool? That was the one other thong I liked about the FT routers.
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1 1/2 inch....methinks I might have found my next router in the 1617. And what you said elsewhere about bearings vs bushings with Festool makes perfect sense.

Do Bosch routers have dust collection similar to Festool? That was the one other thong I liked about the FT routers.
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you mentioned FesTool...
Very droll. There's another thread running elsewhere on the forum where the issue of overstating the "truth" is being discussed. This guy admits to not being a woodworker, then goes on to show his utter ignorance of the subject by amongst other things comparing this saw to a framing saw, negatively. Maybe he's really a journalist?

The net is full of people slating expensive tools, cars, boats, cameras, etc. often out of some sort of perverse inverted snobbery. All I know is that when I got my first plunge/rail saw in the late 1990s I got that attitude a lot. By the time I bought my TS55 6 years ago still got me some (often from older guys who are so set in their way of thinking that they just can't handle stuff like laser levels, laser rangefinders, etc - they are fundamentally scared of technology), but these days I work in environments where about 1 in 6 or 8 carpenters has a rail/plunge saw, often a Festool. When I go to Germany, the Benelux or Francethat figure is nearer 1 in 3 or 4. They can't all be idiots with unreliable kit, can they?
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all that money for bushings and plastic......
just saying...
there are ways to do the same a helluva lot cheaper...
and w/ good equipment that have bearings and less plastic in the....

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Do Bosch routers have dust collection similar to Festool? That was the one other thong I liked about the FT routers.
Not even close. One of the few routers with DX as good as the Festools is the deWalt DW621/DW622. For table use, though, it shouldn't make a difference because the table extraction system is what counts
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all that money for bushings and plastic......
just saying...
there are ways to do the same a helluva lot cheaper...
and w/ good equipment that have bearings and less plastic in the....
There are ways - but they are slower, produce a poorer quality of cut, are less accurate, give you back strain because of the weights you lift all day, leave you breathing dust (but, hey, COPD is just another badge of being a woodworker, isn't it?) and leave you with a drty job site which takes longer to clean-up. But they do have better bearings - maybe - if those bearings aren't made in China and need replacing after 12 months. Like my last Milwaukee saw. Or my last Milwaukee recip saw. Or your P-C routers. Just saying......
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Not even close. One of the few routers with DX as good as the Festools is the deWalt DW621/DW622. For table use, though, it shouldn't make a difference because the table extraction system is what counts
guess you have not used a Bosch w/ their dust hoods....
nor experienced DW CS...

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There are ways - but they are slower, produce a poorer quality of cut, are less accurate, give you back strain because of the weights you lift all day, leave you breathing dust (but, hey, COPD is just another badge of being a woodworker, isn't it?) and leave you with a drty job site which takes longer to clean-up. But they do have better bearings - maybe - if those bearings aren't made in China and need replacing after 12 months. Like my last Milwaukee saw. Or my last Milwaukee recip saw. Or your P-C routers. Just saying......
A thousand dollar saw should do better than bushings...
harbor freight can give you a saw w/ bushings and plastic for 30 bucks....
you feel slighted now you will defend FT to the death...
and I still say they are WAY over priced... they least they can do is give you better for that much money....

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and need replacing after 12 months. Like my last Milwaukee saw. Or my last Milwaukee recip saw.
not buying into this either...
been using Milwaukee for too many decades in commercial production... still using a second generation Milwaukee reciprocating saw and a 1st generation saw when they went w/ the red bodies...

then there's this PR statement of yours...
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There are ways - but they are slower, produce a poorer quality of cut, are less accurate, give you back strain because of the weights you lift all day, leave you breathing dust (but, hey, COPD is just another badge of being a woodworker, isn't it?) and leave you with a drty job site which takes longer to clean-up. But
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