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post #21 of 27 (permalink) Old 01-03-2017, 07:05 AM Thread Starter
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Very droll. There's another thread running elsewhere on the forum where the issue of overstating the "truth" is being discussed. This guy admits to not being a woodworker, then goes on to show his utter ignorance of the subject by amongst other things comparing this saw to a framing saw, negatively. Maybe he's really a journalist?

The net is full of people slating expensive tools, cars, boats, cameras, etc. often out of some sort of perverse inverted snobbery. All I know is that when I got my first plunge/rail saw in the late 1990s I got that attitude a lot. By the time I bought my TS55 6 years ago still got me some (often from older guys who are so set in their way of thinking that they just can't handle stuff like laser levels, laser rangefinders, etc - they are fundamentally scared of technology), but these days I work in environments where about 1 in 6 or 8 carpenters has a rail/plunge saw, often a Festool. When I go to Germany, the Benelux or Francethat figure is nearer 1 in 3 or 4. They can't all be idiots with unreliable kit, can they?
We have a lot of cabinet shops around here that run Festool stuff hard and it seldom breaks according to the guys I talk to.

It could be made of smurf dust and moon rocks, but it does sure seem to perform.
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Not even close. One of the few routers with DX as good as the Festools is the deWalt DW621/DW622. For table use, though, it shouldn't make a difference because the table extraction system is what counts
I was more thinking about for edge routing, as I am going to dedicate my PC 690 twins to dovetailing and flush trimming.

I am thinking this forum is dangerous, as I bought a 1617EVS on new years day, put it in the table and have been running ti every day since, very pleased.

Thinking of re-arranging my shop and adding a PC 7815, as I am wanting to build a bunch of passage doors in my shop.

It is a sad thing when routers become as addictive as hand planes...

Still thinking I would like the smaller of the Festool routers for mortises and edge work-

The FT router has outstanding dust collection, I love the plunge mechanism, and the balance in my hands is the best of any router that I have tested.

So slowly over the next couple of years I want to add at least two more routers. the 1617 EVS came at the right time because it is $150 cheaper than the PC 7518 and I am needing to build a second work bench.

As I said in the intro section, I share my shop with a friend of my son who builds guitars and we are frequently doing work at the same time, both using a lot of hand tools. The $150 I did not send to PC will be sent to lee valley for a twin screw 24 inch vise.
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all that money for bushings and plastic......
just saying...
there are ways to do the same a helluva lot cheaper...
and w/ good equipment that have bearings and less plastic in the....
The $150 I just saved will help my woodworking immeasurably this next year. My daughter is moving home after college to pay off some student loans, and wants some new furniture for the room she will be staying in. Every dime counts at this point...
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I was more thinking about for edge routing, as I am going to dedicate my PC 690 twins to dovetailing and flush trimming.

I am thinking this forum is dangerous, as I bought a 1617EVS on new years day, put it in the table and have been running ti every day since, very pleased.

Thinking of re-arranging my shop and adding a PC 7815, as I am wanting to build a bunch of passage doors in my shop.

It is a sad thing when routers become as addictive as hand planes...

Still thinking I would like the smaller of the Festool routers for mortises and edge work-

The FT router has outstanding dust collection, I love the plunge mechanism, and the balance in my hands is the best of any router that I have tested.

So slowly over the next couple of years I want to add at least two more routers. the 1617 EVS came at the right time because it is $150 cheaper than the PC 7518 and I am needing to build a second work bench.

As I said in the intro section, I share my shop with a friend of my son who builds guitars and we are frequently doing work at the same time, both using a lot of hand tools. The $150 I did not send to PC will be sent to lee valley for a twin screw 24 inch vise.
This forum is very dangerous when it comes to buying tools as we have a lot of members who will gleefully help you spend your tool budget and possibly even some of the money budgeted for other things that wasn't supposed to get spent on tools.

That LV vise is a little pricey but worth every penny. I've had one for maybe 20 years and to quote Charlton Heston, if you tried to take it from me you'd have to pry it out of my cold dead hands. When you add the moveable jaw to it make sure you drill some dog holes in it first.

Generally for edge work work you don't need a lot of power so something as small as a DeWalt 611 will usually be enough and it's nice not to manhandle a big plunge when you do that work. One thing that really helps when doing edge work is an offset base for added stability. When edge routing only maybe 40% of the base is on the board. Quillman makes some beauties that are pretty reasonable for the quality of what you are getting.
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This forum is very dangerous when it comes to buying tools as we have a lot of members who will gleefully help you spend your tool budget and possibly even some of the money budgeted for other things that wasn't supposed to get spent on tools.

That LV vise is a little pricey but worth every penny. I've had one for maybe 20 years and to quote Charlton Heston, if you tried to take it from me you'd have to pry it out of my cold dead hands. When you add the moveable jaw to it make sure you drill some dog holes in it first.

Generally for edge work work you don't need a lot of power so something as small as a DeWalt 611 will usually be enough and it's nice not to manhandle a big plunge when you do that work. One thing that really helps when doing edge work is an offset base for added stability. When edge routing only maybe 40% of the base is on the board. Quillman makes some beauties that are pretty reasonable for the quality of what you are getting.
Probably building square dog holes into the bench, I want a more traditional look. Good to have a vote of confidence, it looks like the cats rear end (in a good sort of way) when it comes to actually clamping wood.

Thinking very much a smaller router would be nice for edge work, even my PC 690 is a little awkward. I have thought about the Dewalt 611 but I am a little on the fence in regards to Dewalt tools. Love the Compound miter saw I have, hate, hate, hate Dewalt drills.

But yes, in your hands that 611 is one sweet little beast....
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The easiet way to make square holes is to laminate two grooved pieces together. If you make your own wooden dogs cut a 2* bevel on the face. That helps to keep things down instead of popping up as you tighten. Lots of members have the 611 and the reviews and experiences have been good so far. It comes with an offset base and built in work lights. I bought the PK version which is fixed and plunge bases and I like them both. I also have a much older 610 which is a bit bigger in fixed only and it has been a very good router. I have a 3/8 corded drill and several RO sanders, also all good. I've used the 12" SCMS and not a big fan of it. I prefer the Milwaukee I just bought. Bought my son a 14volt DeWalt drill years ago and I think he's still using it but there was a battery or charger recall and that has been an issue with them I think. An employer had the same 3/8 drill I have but with keyless chuck and the chuck is a piece of useless crap. Like most tools winners, losers, good points, and bad points.

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The easiet way to make square holes is to laminate two grooved pieces together. If you make your own wooden dogs cut a 2* bevel on the face. That helps to keep things down instead of popping up as you tighten. Lots of members have the 611 and the reviews and experiences have been good so far. It comes with an offset base and built in work lights. I bought the PK version which is fixed and plunge bases and I like them both. I also have a much older 610 which is a bit bigger in fixed only and it has been a very good router. I have a 3/8 corded drill and several RO sanders, also all good. I've used the 12" SCMS and not a big fan of it. I prefer the Milwaukee I just bought. Bought my son a 14volt DeWalt drill years ago and I think he's still using it but there was a battery or charger recall and that has been an issue with them I think. An employer had the same 3/8 drill I have but with keyless chuck and the chuck is a piece of useless crap. Like most tools winners, losers, good points, and bad points.
Again, good info.....a 611 would save money for hand tools, as I am primarily a hand tool guy.

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