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Old 06-22-2009, 10:49 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I have my Ryobi router set up in the table now and grabbed my templates and wood (Hickory) and headed for the table yesterday.

I thought I would start with a small piece, just in case something went wrong I could easily cut a new piece.

Everything is now secured and set using a flush trim bit, I fire up the router and begin.

Hmmmmmmm, quite what I was expecting. The gap between the bearing and the cutting portion of the bit is enough that I am just touching the top of the template and it digs in a bit. Also, it kicks back as well.

Two or three more attempts, same results. I tried to slow the router down a bit, take small swipes but same thing.

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Old 06-22-2009, 11:18 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Don,
You need to use a starting pin. To use a starting pin you contact the pin first and then ease the work piece into the bit from right to left, then you can remove the piece from the pin after you have started the cut. The pin is to give you something to help steady the piece and help prevent the initial kick back upon contact. Also you need to lower the bit to where only the bearing is contacting the pattern/template and prior to starting any bearing bit be sure to check the bearing for tightness. It can be quite a shock if the bearing comes off and tears up your piece as well as the template.
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Hi George...

I'm not using a pin but just going straight in.

If I lower the bit to where the bearing (nice and free turning) is full on the template, the bit is below the top surface of the work piece which is why this is so frustrating.

Does this make sense?
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it sounds like you have a very thin template? the bearing is less tha a quarter in thick. also if the top of the cutter isnt slightly above the workpiece it will bind and kickback. that happened to me the first couple of times i tried to flush trim something. i also wonder if you are routing a male a or female template and your feed direction?

p.s. you might want to check and see if there are some spacer washers between the bearing and bit.

hopefully somone can give you a better answer than me.
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Unfortunately, it is a 1/8" template I'm using which is what I suspected at first.

Male/female template? I'm afraid to bite on this one.....
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Unfortunately, it is a 1/8" template I'm using which is what I suspected at first.

Male/female template? I'm afraid to bite on this one.....
a male termplate, you route around the outside and a female template, you route around the inside of the template. feed direction is reversed on the inside o the template. im not knowledgeable enough to trust myself using a template that thin.
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I thought the male/female thing was a noob setup joke, sorry...

It's a male template.

I can easily transfer the template over to a 1/4" piece and try again. It would be a helluva lot faster than sanding.....
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Hi Plagmar

"it kicks back as well " it sounds like you running the stock the wrong way by the bit..

Someone of the forum said it just right,run the stock by the bit " like your read"

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I have my Ryobi router set up in the table now and grabbed my templates and wood (Hickory) and headed for the table yesterday.

I thought I would start with a small piece, just in case something went wrong I could easily cut a new piece.

Everything is now secured and set using a flush trim bit, I fire up the router and begin.

Hmmmmmmm, quite what I was expecting. The gap between the bearing and the cutting portion of the bit is enough that I am just touching the top of the template and it digs in a bit. Also, it kicks back as well.

Two or three more attempts, same results. I tried to slow the router down a bit, take small swipes but same thing.

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Running the piece right to left against the turning bit...
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The first thing I thought of was, your wood is hickory. Hickory can cause you some problems when routing, it splinters and will grab the bit. Make sure you cutter is very sharp. Also, make sure you are cutting with the grain and not against it.
I would also make the template out of something thicker for the bearing to ride on.
Gather some scrap and practice using different feed rates and cutter speed and see what works.
I learned the hard way that dull or cheap router bits do not cut hickory well.

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