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SandyT · 07-02-2006, 08:35 PM

Well, today, I got a Bosch Ogee 3 1/2" Raised Panel bit, thinking that would be perfect to go along with the Bosch Ogee Rail and Stile Bits I already have and have tried and succeeded making frames with. But, nooooooo, the opening in my Sears Craftsman router table is too small. I know I will have to take this Bosch bit back tomorrow.

The question is, what size should I get and what brand and will it work with the bits I already have as far as fitting inside the groove that my Rail and Stile bits make?
Should I get the bit that makes a groove in the back of the panel at the same time it makes the raised panel on the front?
Am I stuck with using the Ogee style raised panel bits?

Should I get the vertical bit and make the fence that Bj made for that purpose?
Thank you for your help, as always.

**Mike** · 07-02-2006, 11:41 PM

Sandy, which router are you using and which Craftsman table? I have some ideas for you but would like to provide accurate information.

**bobj3** · 07-02-2006, 11:57 PM

Hi SANDY
Flat Panels are attractive you don't always need to put in a Raised panel.
You can also get a 2" raised panel bits but I don't recommend them.
BUT
You may want to take a look at this link below...

A 2 HP router will do it.

http://www.routerforums.com/jigs-fixtures/2725-raised-panels-quick-easy.html

Bj

SandyT · 07-03-2006, 11:12 AM

Mike,
My 2HP router is a Model No. 315.275000 and the Craftsman Professional Router table is Model No. 171.254831.
Any advice is appreciated.
Bj,
Yeah, that's the fence I was talking about. The one you made for the vertical bit. So, if I end up taking this 3 1/2 " bit back, I will consider this fence.
I could possibly do the raised panels on my table saw. Then, is there a way to beautify the plain edges with some edging router bits?
I'll be waiting for your replies.
Thank you so much.

**bobj3** · 07-03-2006, 11:43 AM

Hi Sandy
When you use the table saw to make a Raised Panel(s), you will need to make a jig also like the one Norm (NYWS) made but most come out looking like crap and it takes a long time to sand them down to get the saw blade/burn marks out.
But that's up to you, the router can do it quick and easy.

You don't need to make the sub fence and push block to make the panels on the router table, a tall push block will do it also but the sub fence and the push block helps from making firewood, one nick or over cut will turn a nice oak,cherry,maple stock into firewood.
Just a note *** if the panel is over 6",split the panel and glue it back up as one b/4 you make the panel cut.(just about any thing over 6" will cup/bow in time) the door frame will help but it will still cup/bow and pull the frame out of sq.

"Then, is there a way to beautify the plain edges" = the plain edges are put into the door frame so you will not see them.(the norm is 1/4" to 7/16" deep) in the frame.
The O-G door bit set will put a nice edge on the frame,then you can use a door lip/round over/? bit on the outside of the door frame.

Bj

SandyT · 07-03-2006, 12:20 PM

Hi Bj,
Thanks for all your helpful info.
What I should have asked was, Is there any way to use some kind of router bit on the part that shows, like near the raised part.
Also, I did use flat panels for my cedar planter and they just don't do anything for me. That is why I was so excited about this bit I got. I know the raised panels would have looked beautiful.
However, where there is a will, there's a way! Right?

**bobj3** · 07-03-2006, 12:40 PM

You're Welcome Sandy

Many,Many ways to make raised panels, flat panels that you can use a rabbit bit on and a overlay templet/guides and use the bit below for just one more way to dress them up.

http://www.grizzly.com/products/c1673
http://www.grizzly.com/products/c1680

http://www.grizzly.com/catalog/2006/Main/435

Yep ,I know MORE bits, no end to them right

Bj

SandyT · 07-03-2006, 06:26 PM

Bj

Yes, those are some awesomely beautiful looking bits on those urls you just gave me.
Bits, bits, and more bits, it never ends, but the more bits you get the more you want.

I sadly took that humongous raised panel bit back and shopped till I dropped for anything vertical or even 3" would probably have worked, but didn't find anything. However, a very kind salesman at Lowe's told me about another place to get tools, etc. Unfortunately, it was closed till Wednesday. So, I'm going to look then. But, it sure helps to know there is another way to make the raised panels as you've just shown me.
Thanks, Bj

**bobj3** · 07-03-2006, 07:36 PM

Hi Sandy

I would be ashamed to tell you what I have invested in router bits...

And I will not tell my wife hahahahahaha see would kick my butt I'm sure.
I will say it's one of the biggest investments I have in the shop.

TIP below
Don't buy a 3" panel bit yet,get a 3 1/4 HP router 1st, it takes power to spin that big bit at the right speed.
If you use your Craftsman router and try and make a OAK panel you will say I need more power ...( a Tim the Tool Man thing) hahahahaha..
The variable speed you have will slow the router down but you will also lose HP..
Routers get the HP from the RPM that's to say most do,the big 3 1/4 routers have a slow startup and variable speed built in and will give you HP at all speeds.

Bj

SandyT · 07-03-2006, 07:52 PM

Bj,
You are right, I need a 3 1/4 HP router, haha! Well, for now I'll try some other way if I don't find a vertical raised panel bit on Wednesday. This store is supposed to be cheap and like walking into a candy store (that's what the clerk said), so I can't wait!
I am very protective about my router bits, too. I am now cleaning them after each use. Is that going overboard? But they cost so much and I sure don't want to replace the ones I have so I can get some different ones. Like the one you have introduced me to today. Wow, I love that one. And the one they use on the Router Workshop on boxes, and the beading bit they use. I saw those two at HD, but they were all locked up like jewels or something and that just makes me mad. Like woodworkers are crooks or something? No way! Well, enough ranting. Back down to the shop and do something fun. I have it all swept up and now I have to mess it up.
Your secret is safe with me!

07-02-2006, 08:35 PM	#1
SandyT Registered User Forum Geek Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 484 View SandyT's Gallery	Report This Post! What size of Raised Panel Bit? Well, today, I got a Bosch Ogee 3 1/2" Raised Panel bit, thinking that would be perfect to go along with the Bosch Ogee Rail and Stile Bits I already have and have tried and succeeded making frames with. But, nooooooo, the opening in my Sears Craftsman router table is too small. I know I will have to take this Bosch bit back tomorrow. The question is, what size should I get and what brand and will it work with the bits I already have as far as fitting inside the groove that my Rail and Stile bits make? Should I get the bit that makes a groove in the back of the panel at the same time it makes the raised panel on the front? Am I stuck with using the Ogee style raised panel bits? Should I get the vertical bit and make the fence that Bj made for that purpose? Thank you for your help, as always. __________________ undefined
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Mike Senior Moderator Supreme Forum King Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Detroit, Michigan USA Posts: 3,372 View Mike's Gallery	Report This Post! Sandy, which router are you using and which Craftsman table? I have some ideas for you but would like to provide accurate information. __________________ Mike Please edit your profile with a name and location so we can better assist you.
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bobj3 Forum Contributer Supreme Forum King Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Littleton,Colorado U.S.A. Posts: 8,256 View bobj3's Gallery	Report This Post! Hi SANDY Flat Panels are attractive you don't always need to put in a Raised panel. You can also get a 2" raised panel bits but I don't recommend them. BUT You may want to take a look at this link below... A 2 HP router will do it. http://www.routerforums.com/jigs-fixtures/2725-raised-panels-quick-easy.html Bj __________________ PodCast videos RWS on YouTube http://www.routerforums.com/86898-post1.html Besure and click on the Up Arrow key ▲ on the Youtube video, you can select other youtube videos on router tables http://www.woodworkingonline.com/?s=dovetail Machine Cut ▼ http://www.woodworkingonline.com/200...cut-dovetails/ http://www.woodworkingonline.com/woo...podcast-store/ http://www.woodshopdemos.com/menu2.htm Bob J. Last edited by bobj3; 07-03-2006 at 01:01 AM.
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SandyT Registered User Forum Geek Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 484 View SandyT's Gallery	Report This Post! Mike, My 2HP router is a Model No. 315.275000 and the Craftsman Professional Router table is Model No. 171.254831. Any advice is appreciated. Bj, Yeah, that's the fence I was talking about. The one you made for the vertical bit. So, if I end up taking this 3 1/2 " bit back, I will consider this fence. I could possibly do the raised panels on my table saw. Then, is there a way to beautify the plain edges with some edging router bits? I'll be waiting for your replies. Thank you so much. __________________ undefined
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07-03-2006, 11:43 AM	#5
bobj3 Forum Contributer Supreme Forum King Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Littleton,Colorado U.S.A. Posts: 8,256 View bobj3's Gallery	Report This Post! Hi Sandy When you use the table saw to make a Raised Panel(s), you will need to make a jig also like the one Norm (NYWS) made but most come out looking like crap and it takes a long time to sand them down to get the saw blade/burn marks out. But that's up to you, the router can do it quick and easy. You don't need to make the sub fence and push block to make the panels on the router table, a tall push block will do it also but the sub fence and the push block helps from making firewood, one nick or over cut will turn a nice oak,cherry,maple stock into firewood. Just a note *** if the panel is over 6",split the panel and glue it back up as one b/4 you make the panel cut.(just about any thing over 6" will cup/bow in time) the door frame will help but it will still cup/bow and pull the frame out of sq. "Then, is there a way to beautify the plain edges" = the plain edges are put into the door frame so you will not see them.(the norm is 1/4" to 7/16" deep) in the frame. The O-G door bit set will put a nice edge on the frame,then you can use a door lip/round over/? bit on the outside of the door frame. Bj __________________ PodCast videos RWS on YouTube http://www.routerforums.com/86898-post1.html Besure and click on the Up Arrow key ▲ on the Youtube video, you can select other youtube videos on router tables http://www.woodworkingonline.com/?s=dovetail Machine Cut ▼ http://www.woodworkingonline.com/200...cut-dovetails/ http://www.woodworkingonline.com/woo...podcast-store/ http://www.woodshopdemos.com/menu2.htm Bob J. Last edited by bobj3; 07-03-2006 at 12:12 PM.
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07-03-2006, 12:20 PM	#6
SandyT Registered User Forum Geek Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 484 View SandyT's Gallery	Report This Post! Hi Bj, Thanks for all your helpful info. What I should have asked was, Is there any way to use some kind of router bit on the part that shows, like near the raised part. Also, I did use flat panels for my cedar planter and they just don't do anything for me. That is why I was so excited about this bit I got. I know the raised panels would have looked beautiful. However, where there is a will, there's a way! Right? __________________ undefined
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07-03-2006, 12:40 PM	#7
bobj3 Forum Contributer Supreme Forum King Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Littleton,Colorado U.S.A. Posts: 8,256 View bobj3's Gallery	Report This Post! You're Welcome Sandy Many,Many ways to make raised panels, flat panels that you can use a rabbit bit on and a overlay templet/guides and use the bit below for just one more way to dress them up. http://www.grizzly.com/products/c1673 http://www.grizzly.com/products/c1680 http://www.grizzly.com/catalog/2006/Main/435 Yep ,I know MORE bits, no end to them right Bj __________________ PodCast videos RWS on YouTube http://www.routerforums.com/86898-post1.html Besure and click on the Up Arrow key ▲ on the Youtube video, you can select other youtube videos on router tables http://www.woodworkingonline.com/?s=dovetail Machine Cut ▼ http://www.woodworkingonline.com/200...cut-dovetails/ http://www.woodworkingonline.com/woo...podcast-store/ http://www.woodshopdemos.com/menu2.htm Bob J.
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07-03-2006, 06:26 PM	#8
SandyT Registered User Forum Geek Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 484 View SandyT's Gallery	Report This Post! Bj Yes, those are some awesomely beautiful looking bits on those urls you just gave me. Bits, bits, and more bits, it never ends, but the more bits you get the more you want. I sadly took that humongous raised panel bit back and shopped till I dropped for anything vertical or even 3" would probably have worked, but didn't find anything. However, a very kind salesman at Lowe's told me about another place to get tools, etc. Unfortunately, it was closed till Wednesday. So, I'm going to look then. But, it sure helps to know there is another way to make the raised panels as you've just shown me. Thanks, Bj __________________ undefined
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07-03-2006, 07:36 PM	#9
bobj3 Forum Contributer Supreme Forum King Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Littleton,Colorado U.S.A. Posts: 8,256 View bobj3's Gallery	Report This Post! Hi Sandy I would be ashamed to tell you what I have invested in router bits... And I will not tell my wife hahahahahaha see would kick my butt I'm sure. I will say it's one of the biggest investments I have in the shop. TIP below Don't buy a 3" panel bit yet,get a 3 1/4 HP router 1st, it takes power to spin that big bit at the right speed. If you use your Craftsman router and try and make a OAK panel you will say I need more power ...( a Tim the Tool Man thing) hahahahaha.. The variable speed you have will slow the router down but you will also lose HP.. Routers get the HP from the RPM that's to say most do,the big 3 1/4 routers have a slow startup and variable speed built in and will give you HP at all speeds. Bj __________________ PodCast videos RWS on YouTube http://www.routerforums.com/86898-post1.html Besure and click on the Up Arrow key ▲ on the Youtube video, you can select other youtube videos on router tables http://www.woodworkingonline.com/?s=dovetail Machine Cut ▼ http://www.woodworkingonline.com/200...cut-dovetails/ http://www.woodworkingonline.com/woo...podcast-store/ http://www.woodshopdemos.com/menu2.htm Bob J.
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07-03-2006, 07:52 PM	#10
SandyT Registered User Forum Geek Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 484 View SandyT's Gallery	Report This Post! Bj, You are right, I need a 3 1/4 HP router, haha! Well, for now I'll try some other way if I don't find a vertical raised panel bit on Wednesday. This store is supposed to be cheap and like walking into a candy store (that's what the clerk said), so I can't wait! I am very protective about my router bits, too. I am now cleaning them after each use. Is that going overboard? But they cost so much and I sure don't want to replace the ones I have so I can get some different ones. Like the one you have introduced me to today. Wow, I love that one. And the one they use on the Router Workshop on boxes, and the beading bit they use. I saw those two at HD, but they were all locked up like jewels or something and that just makes me mad. Like woodworkers are crooks or something? No way! Well, enough ranting. Back down to the shop and do something fun. I have it all swept up and now I have to mess it up. Your secret is safe with me! __________________ undefined Last edited by SandyT; 07-05-2006 at 11:10 AM.
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