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**challagan** · 05-08-2007, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bobj3

Have a GOOD Trip niki , I wish I was going to Japan too, pick me up a Hitachi as well, do you have to pay duty if you put it in your suit case ?

They also sale VERY SMALL compressors that you can get in your suit case .

Bj

LOL.... I like to see the airport scanner operators face on that one when he sees that on the Xray

Corey

**harrysin** · 05-08-2007, 10:43 PM

Bob, you should know by now that I have great respect for you and you're methods, HOWEVER, I really do have to disagree regarding using the drill press for dowelling. I have tried the drill press, the radial arm saw (blade removed,drill chuck in opposite end of spindle) and various jigs but I am convinced that Niki's idea is going to be the winner. Making a router lift will be my next project.

**bobj3** · 05-08-2007, 11:14 PM

Hi Harry

I will agree drilling holes with the router is a great way to drill holes for dowel pins but with a plunge router and a brass guide, Rick R. is the drill king for using the plunge router for drilling holes, he has made many jigs for doing just that.

If you get a chance to see some of his jigs you will be amaze what he can do with a brass guide and a plunge router.....

Bj

**challagan** · 05-08-2007, 11:57 PM

Niki's way is a very cool set up for dowels but I just don't think dowels are a lasting joint. Get a pocket hole jig Harry and don't look back

Some people don't like how they look in fine furniture but you can hide them in a lot of projects

Stretchers and table aprons you can't see them and even panel glue ups. A lot of factory made furniture made today is made with pocket holes technology. Glue and those screws will out last any dowel joint I think.

Harry I don't have one of these but I think they look real useful for guys that make furniture but have you ever seen the new Festool Domino? Pretty cool tool and expensive as well.

. A neat way to make a mortise and uses the floating tenons. Could replace the biscuits jointer in time. Much more glue surface than a dowel gives and thus a real strong joint as well. Just thought you might like to see this link Harry or anyone that is interested:
http://www.onlinetoolreviews.com/rev...tooldomino.htm

Well guys, I am out of here until Friday night. Headed to Palm Springs on business

**harrysin** · 05-09-2007, 04:08 AM

I hope you enjoy you're business trip Corey, life is hard isn't it! I've just finished reading and watching the video clips on the Domino, quite an impressive tool which I'm sure I would buy if I was still into furniture making. These days I confine myself to small items like boxes and clocks. I'll probably be past it all by the time I have great grandchildren.

**harrysin** · 05-09-2007, 04:30 AM

Joe, of course dowel holes can be produced with the plunge router BUT, jigs/templates are required, with Niki's method it's only a matter of holding the material against the fence and stop, what could be quicker or simpler? I'm in the process of sorting material to make the lifter, it's going to be metal, it's so easy to improve on an existing invention!

**challagan** · 05-09-2007, 07:16 AM

I am pretty much the same here Harry. I don't do furntiure either any more and couldn't justify the cost for a tool like that. Have a good week all, I am out of here!

Corey

Joe Lyddon · 05-09-2007, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by harrysin

Joe, of course dowel holes can be produced with the plunge router BUT, jigs/templates are required, with Niki's method it's only a matter of holding the material against the fence and stop, what could be quicker or simpler? I'm in the process of sorting material to make the lifter, it's going to be metal, it's so easy to improve on an existing invention!

Harry, sounds like you think this jig would be a huge undertaking...

I picture it as drilling two holes in a piece of hardboard, screwing it to another board or two, place in place, clamp, and route the holes. Doesn't look all that bad to me... as an alternative.

To say nothing about installing the proper template guide on the router first... Right up your alley!

**bobj3** · 05-09-2007, 11:00 AM

Hi Harry

B/4 you goto all the work of marking a lifter setup, they do make SMALL elec.jacks for cars that are cheap...the last time I looked them up on ebay and harbor freight.

They will lift the router about ( 4-3/4" to 13-1/2) both ways...

and with a small push button they come with it will lift the router in to place without the need for any metal parts.
Just a block at the top of the router motor to lift the router up or down.

Just one more way of doing what you want to do...

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=94491
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=36004

Bj

**harrysin** · 05-10-2007, 05:15 AM

It sounds expensive and slow to me Bob, with a foot pedal it's instantaneous and no limit switches needed. Bob, with you're gift for sniffing out a bargain, I'm surprised you mentioned a motor!

05-08-2007, 10:43 PM	#12
harrysin Forum Contributer Supreme Forum King Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Western Australia Posts: 3,241 View harrysin's Gallery	Report This Post! Bob, you should know by now that I have great respect for you and you're methods, HOWEVER, I really do have to disagree regarding using the drill press for dowelling. I have tried the drill press, the radial arm saw (blade removed,drill chuck in opposite end of spindle) and various jigs but I am convinced that Niki's idea is going to be the winner. Making a router lift will be my next project. __________________ *Harry*
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05-08-2007, 11:14 PM	#13
bobj3 Forum Contributer Supreme Forum King Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Littleton,Colorado U.S.A. Posts: 8,102 View bobj3's Gallery	Report This Post! Hi Harry I will agree drilling holes with the router is a great way to drill holes for dowel pins but with a plunge router and a brass guide, Rick R. is the drill king for using the plunge router for drilling holes, he has made many jigs for doing just that. If you get a chance to see some of his jigs you will be amaze what he can do with a brass guide and a plunge router..... Bj __________________ PodCast videos RWS on YouTube http://www.routerforums.com/86898-post1.html Besure and click on the Up Arrow key ▲ on the Youtube video, you can select other youtube videos on router tables http://www.woodworkingonline.com/?s=dovetail Machine Cut ▼ http://www.woodworkingonline.com/200...cut-dovetails/ http://www.woodworkingonline.com/woo...podcast-store/ http://www.woodshopdemos.com/menu2.htm Bob J. Last edited by bobj3; 05-08-2007 at 11:16 PM.
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05-08-2007, 11:57 PM	#14
challagan Retired Moderator Supreme Forum King Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Iowa Posts: 3,999 View challagan's Gallery	Report This Post! Niki's way is a very cool set up for dowels but I just don't think dowels are a lasting joint. Get a pocket hole jig Harry and don't look back Some people don't like how they look in fine furniture but you can hide them in a lot of projects Stretchers and table aprons you can't see them and even panel glue ups. A lot of factory made furniture made today is made with pocket holes technology. Glue and those screws will out last any dowel joint I think. Harry I don't have one of these but I think they look real useful for guys that make furniture but have you ever seen the new Festool Domino? Pretty cool tool and expensive as well. . A neat way to make a mortise and uses the floating tenons. Could replace the biscuits jointer in time. Much more glue surface than a dowel gives and thus a real strong joint as well. Just thought you might like to see this link Harry or anyone that is interested: http://www.onlinetoolreviews.com/rev...tooldomino.htm Well guys, I am out of here until Friday night. Headed to Palm Springs on business __________________ My Carving Website: The Iowa Woodcarver http://iowacarver.tripod.com/ My Shop Website - Woodshop 51503 http://woodshop51503.tripod.com/ Last edited by challagan; 05-09-2007 at 12:02 AM.
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05-09-2007, 04:08 AM	#15
harrysin Forum Contributer Supreme Forum King Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Western Australia Posts: 3,241 View harrysin's Gallery	Report This Post! I hope you enjoy you're business trip Corey, life is hard isn't it! I've just finished reading and watching the video clips on the Domino, quite an impressive tool which I'm sure I would buy if I was still into furniture making. These days I confine myself to small items like boxes and clocks. I'll probably be past it all by the time I have great grandchildren. __________________ *Harry*
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05-09-2007, 04:30 AM	#16
harrysin Forum Contributer Supreme Forum King Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Western Australia Posts: 3,241 View harrysin's Gallery	Report This Post! Joe, of course dowel holes can be produced with the plunge router BUT, jigs/templates are required, with Niki's method it's only a matter of holding the material against the fence and stop, what could be quicker or simpler? I'm in the process of sorting material to make the lifter, it's going to be metal, it's so easy to improve on an existing invention! __________________ *Harry*
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05-09-2007, 07:16 AM	#17
challagan Retired Moderator Supreme Forum King Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Iowa Posts: 3,999 View challagan's Gallery	Report This Post! I am pretty much the same here Harry. I don't do furntiure either any more and couldn't justify the cost for a tool like that. Have a good week all, I am out of here! Corey __________________ My Carving Website: The Iowa Woodcarver http://iowacarver.tripod.com/ My Shop Website - Woodshop 51503 http://woodshop51503.tripod.com/
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05-09-2007, 11:00 AM	#19
bobj3 Forum Contributer Supreme Forum King Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Littleton,Colorado U.S.A. Posts: 8,102 View bobj3's Gallery	Report This Post! Hi Harry B/4 you goto all the work of marking a lifter setup, they do make SMALL elec.jacks for cars that are cheap...the last time I looked them up on ebay and harbor freight. They will lift the router about ( 4-3/4" to 13-1/2) both ways... and with a small push button they come with it will lift the router in to place without the need for any metal parts. Just a block at the top of the router motor to lift the router up or down. Just one more way of doing what you want to do... http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=94491 http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=36004 Bj __________________ PodCast videos RWS on YouTube http://www.routerforums.com/86898-post1.html Besure and click on the Up Arrow key ▲ on the Youtube video, you can select other youtube videos on router tables http://www.woodworkingonline.com/?s=dovetail Machine Cut ▼ http://www.woodworkingonline.com/200...cut-dovetails/ http://www.woodworkingonline.com/woo...podcast-store/ http://www.woodshopdemos.com/menu2.htm Bob J.
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harrysin Forum Contributer Supreme Forum King Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Western Australia Posts: 3,241 View harrysin's Gallery	Report This Post! It sounds expensive and slow to me Bob, with a foot pedal it's instantaneous and no limit switches needed. Bob, with you're gift for sniffing out a bargain, I'm surprised you mentioned a motor! __________________ *Harry*
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