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cbsjoez1935 · 05-16-2008, 03:01 PM

Well I finally got around to building my version of the RWS table, using their table top. I had not received my stimulus check, as yet, so baltic birch or cabinet grade stuff was out and I had to build it with what scraps I had. I used 1/2" ply and instead of 1 X 2 supports, I used left over deck ballistae (2 X 2) I struggled through the dados, for the bit holder tray, stupidly going the wrong way on my other makeshift table (3/8" ply on workmate) climbing instead of cutting in the bit direction and wondering why the piece kept trying to move away from the fence. I did not build the base cabinet, as yet, but secured the frame to a 3/8" ply sheet, screwed a 2 X 4 onto the ply and used that to support the whole thing on my B & D Workmate. That may seem strange, but after lowering the Workmate's feet to their bottom position, the height works for me. With my wonderful behemoth ready, I decided to make the RWS miter gauge with some poly cutting board. I framed the slot out with sticks, using my 1" brass guide as a measure and cut 5/8" holes to remove excess waste. With a 1/2" shear angle flush trim bit mounted, I produced enough poly confetti for a New Year's Party. It stuck to everything. Who cares? I was going to have my miter gauge. Boy, was I wrong. First off, do not use double sided tape to hold the sticks on poly. They did not hold up under the pressure and my slot got wavy and ultimately useless. Next time I will pre-cut the end slot holes with a 1" Forstner bit, cut the excess out, as before. Using the 1/2" bit, line up the first cut with my fence, reverse the poly and cut the second pass after adjusting the fence. Maybe this time it will work, but hey the fun is in trying. Sorry for the long post, but I hope it gave some information.

Joe Z.

**Glenmore** · 05-17-2008, 01:04 AM

Joe sounds like I was working on it instead of you. Never a wasted moment. Sounds like you were having some fun. But hey you learn by the mistakes I know I do. It is like a pilot if you walked away from a crash it was a fine landing.

cbsjoez1935 · 05-19-2008, 01:10 PM

Hi Glenmore,

Thanks for the sympathetic words. I have decided to not use a poly cutting board to make the miter gauge out of (just too messy with all those shavings flying around). I will venture to use Phenolic or experiment with tempered hardboard. Should be fun and a good learning experience again. Do you happen to know why there is a semi-circle opening on the top of the one Bob & Rick use, where the locking knob is located? I would think a simple swivel point would suffice.

Joe Z.

**bobj3** · 05-19-2008, 02:57 PM

Hey Joe

Are you talking about the one below ?

http://us.oak-park.com/catalogue.html?list=RTS-MGS-

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cbsjoez1935 · 05-19-2008, 05:47 PM

Hi Bob,
Yep, that's the one. I am thinking that there is a swivel point just below that semi-circle cut out and the locking knob sits in that cut out to lock down the angle. I don't think I am going to need those other accessories and only intend to use it when cutting slots at an angle, ala the RWS shop stool, so I am not ordering the miter gauge set (too steep for me).
Joe Z.

**bobj3** · 05-19-2008, 06:31 PM

Hi Joe

I have two ,one I made and one I got from RWS, they both work great.
The swivel point is just in front of the knob right on the edge, the semi-circle is needed if you want to use the jig for angels ,if not you don't need to put it in but it's a easy job with a circle jig and plunge router.

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cbsjoez1935 · 05-20-2008, 10:50 AM

Bob,
Thanks for your pics and comments. I think I finally understand why the semi-circle cut out was put there. I don't know if I am on a "fools errand" trying to exactly duplicate the RWS version, so I am going to put a few pennies away for awhile and purchase one. With that to work with, I may just venture into building another, just to see if I can do it. Then I would need to know where I can purchase those nice thick blocks of UHMV that RWS uses for their fences and jigs.
Joe Z.

**bobj3** · 05-20-2008, 11:19 AM

Hi Joe

The UHMW can be nasty to route, it leaves strings unlike wood and can jam/break a bit in a heart beat..

UHMW stock
http://www.ptreeusa.com/uhmw_list.htm
http://www.ptreeusa.com/uhmwproducts.htm#strips

The thick ones I get from MLCS, 1 1/2" thick
http://www.mlcswoodworking.com/shops..._safety_anchor
Replacement Backer Block
#9496............................................. .................SALE $11.95

Thick UHMW stock
off eBay sometimes..

The RWS jig would be easy to copy, it's the pin holes that hard to get right,,

It's setup for 1/2" and 3/4" stock only, that's why I made one that will do 1/4" stock to 1 1/2" wide stock...
If you want a snapshot of the holes let me know and I will post one..

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cbsjoez1935 · 05-20-2008, 04:39 PM

Bob,
I am not jumping into the making of the miter gauge again, just yet, but when I asked about the UHMV stock, I was looking for the place where I could get the 16"-19" length, 1-1/4" to 1-1/2" thick and 2' to 3"wide to use for fences and blocks. The sites you were nice enough to send did not have those. I wish MLCS did have them for I do a lot of business with them. Oh well, thanks anyhow for your help which is always appreciated.
Joe Z.

**bobj3** · 05-20-2008, 06:41 PM

Hi Joe

OK, don't put off what you can do today or you may never get it done

==========

Here's one hahahahahahaha, just cut off what you need

hahahahahaha then save the is rest for other projects ...

http://cgi.ebay.com/UHMW-Polyethylen...QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Lifetime-37-...QQcmdZViewItem

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05-16-2008, 03:01 PM	#1
cbsjoez1935 Registered User Forum Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 122 View cbsjoez1935's Gallery	Report This Post! Homebrew Happenings Well I finally got around to building my version of the RWS table, using their table top. I had not received my stimulus check, as yet, so baltic birch or cabinet grade stuff was out and I had to build it with what scraps I had. I used 1/2" ply and instead of 1 X 2 supports, I used left over deck ballistae (2 X 2) I struggled through the dados, for the bit holder tray, stupidly going the wrong way on my other makeshift table (3/8" ply on workmate) climbing instead of cutting in the bit direction and wondering why the piece kept trying to move away from the fence. I did not build the base cabinet, as yet, but secured the frame to a 3/8" ply sheet, screwed a 2 X 4 onto the ply and used that to support the whole thing on my B & D Workmate. That may seem strange, but after lowering the Workmate's feet to their bottom position, the height works for me. With my wonderful behemoth ready, I decided to make the RWS miter gauge with some poly cutting board. I framed the slot out with sticks, using my 1" brass guide as a measure and cut 5/8" holes to remove excess waste. With a 1/2" shear angle flush trim bit mounted, I produced enough poly confetti for a New Year's Party. It stuck to everything. Who cares? I was going to have my miter gauge. Boy, was I wrong. First off, do not use double sided tape to hold the sticks on poly. They did not hold up under the pressure and my slot got wavy and ultimately useless. Next time I will pre-cut the end slot holes with a 1" Forstner bit, cut the excess out, as before. Using the 1/2" bit, line up the first cut with my fence, reverse the poly and cut the second pass after adjusting the fence. Maybe this time it will work, but hey the fun is in trying. Sorry for the long post, but I hope it gave some information. Joe Z. __________________ JoeZ If you never made a mistake, you never tried anything Last edited by cbsjoez1935; 05-16-2008 at 03:04 PM.
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Glenmore Forum Moderator Supreme Forum King Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mountain Top Pennsylvania Posts: 1,611 View Glenmore's Gallery	Report This Post! Joe sounds like I was working on it instead of you. Never a wasted moment. Sounds like you were having some fun. But hey you learn by the mistakes I know I do. It is like a pilot if you walked away from a crash it was a fine landing. __________________ Glenmore Days without wood working are days not worth getting up for.
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cbsjoez1935 Registered User Forum Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 122 View cbsjoez1935's Gallery	Report This Post! Hi Glenmore, Thanks for the sympathetic words. I have decided to not use a poly cutting board to make the miter gauge out of (just too messy with all those shavings flying around). I will venture to use Phenolic or experiment with tempered hardboard. Should be fun and a good learning experience again. Do you happen to know why there is a semi-circle opening on the top of the one Bob & Rick use, where the locking knob is located? I would think a simple swivel point would suffice. Joe Z. __________________ JoeZ If you never made a mistake, you never tried anything
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05-19-2008, 02:57 PM	#4
bobj3 Forum Contributer Supreme Forum King Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Littleton,Colorado U.S.A. Posts: 8,242 View bobj3's Gallery	Report This Post! Hey Joe Are you talking about the one below ? http://us.oak-park.com/catalogue.html?list=RTS-MGS- ========= __________________ PodCast videos RWS on YouTube http://www.routerforums.com/86898-post1.html Besure and click on the Up Arrow key ▲ on the Youtube video, you can select other youtube videos on router tables http://www.woodworkingonline.com/?s=dovetail Machine Cut ▼ http://www.woodworkingonline.com/200...cut-dovetails/ http://www.woodworkingonline.com/woo...podcast-store/ http://www.woodshopdemos.com/menu2.htm Bob J.
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05-19-2008, 05:47 PM	#5
cbsjoez1935 Registered User Forum Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 122 View cbsjoez1935's Gallery	Report This Post! Hi Bob, Yep, that's the one. I am thinking that there is a swivel point just below that semi-circle cut out and the locking knob sits in that cut out to lock down the angle. I don't think I am going to need those other accessories and only intend to use it when cutting slots at an angle, ala the RWS shop stool, so I am not ordering the miter gauge set (too steep for me). Joe Z. __________________ JoeZ If you never made a mistake, you never tried anything
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05-19-2008, 06:31 PM	#6
bobj3 Forum Contributer Supreme Forum King Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Littleton,Colorado U.S.A. Posts: 8,242 View bobj3's Gallery	Report This Post! Hi Joe I have two ,one I made and one I got from RWS, they both work great. The swivel point is just in front of the knob right on the edge, the semi-circle is needed if you want to use the jig for angels ,if not you don't need to put it in but it's a easy job with a circle jig and plunge router. ========= Attached Thumbnails __________________ PodCast videos RWS on YouTube http://www.routerforums.com/86898-post1.html Besure and click on the Up Arrow key ▲ on the Youtube video, you can select other youtube videos on router tables http://www.woodworkingonline.com/?s=dovetail Machine Cut ▼ http://www.woodworkingonline.com/200...cut-dovetails/ http://www.woodworkingonline.com/woo...podcast-store/ http://www.woodshopdemos.com/menu2.htm Bob J. Last edited by bobj3; 05-19-2008 at 11:19 PM.
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05-20-2008, 10:50 AM	#7
cbsjoez1935 Registered User Forum Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 122 View cbsjoez1935's Gallery	Report This Post! Bob, Thanks for your pics and comments. I think I finally understand why the semi-circle cut out was put there. I don't know if I am on a "fools errand" trying to exactly duplicate the RWS version, so I am going to put a few pennies away for awhile and purchase one. With that to work with, I may just venture into building another, just to see if I can do it. Then I would need to know where I can purchase those nice thick blocks of UHMV that RWS uses for their fences and jigs. Joe Z. __________________ JoeZ If you never made a mistake, you never tried anything
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05-20-2008, 11:19 AM	#8
bobj3 Forum Contributer Supreme Forum King Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Littleton,Colorado U.S.A. Posts: 8,242 View bobj3's Gallery	Report This Post! Hi Joe The UHMW can be nasty to route, it leaves strings unlike wood and can jam/break a bit in a heart beat.. UHMW stock http://www.ptreeusa.com/uhmw_list.htm http://www.ptreeusa.com/uhmwproducts.htm#strips The thick ones I get from MLCS, 1 1/2" thick http://www.mlcswoodworking.com/shops..._safety_anchor Replacement Backer Block #9496............................................. .................SALE $11.95 Thick UHMW stock off eBay sometimes.. The RWS jig would be easy to copy, it's the pin holes that hard to get right,, It's setup for 1/2" and 3/4" stock only, that's why I made one that will do 1/4" stock to 1 1/2" wide stock... If you want a snapshot of the holes let me know and I will post one.. ============= ======== __________________ PodCast videos RWS on YouTube http://www.routerforums.com/86898-post1.html Besure and click on the Up Arrow key ▲ on the Youtube video, you can select other youtube videos on router tables http://www.woodworkingonline.com/?s=dovetail Machine Cut ▼ http://www.woodworkingonline.com/200...cut-dovetails/ http://www.woodworkingonline.com/woo...podcast-store/ http://www.woodshopdemos.com/menu2.htm Bob J.
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05-20-2008, 04:39 PM	#9
cbsjoez1935 Registered User Forum Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 122 View cbsjoez1935's Gallery	Report This Post! Bob, I am not jumping into the making of the miter gauge again, just yet, but when I asked about the UHMV stock, I was looking for the place where I could get the 16"-19" length, 1-1/4" to 1-1/2" thick and 2' to 3"wide to use for fences and blocks. The sites you were nice enough to send did not have those. I wish MLCS did have them for I do a lot of business with them. Oh well, thanks anyhow for your help which is always appreciated. Joe Z. __________________ JoeZ If you never made a mistake, you never tried anything
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05-20-2008, 06:41 PM	#10
bobj3 Forum Contributer Supreme Forum King Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Littleton,Colorado U.S.A. Posts: 8,242 View bobj3's Gallery	Report This Post! Hi Joe OK, don't put off what you can do today or you may never get it done ========== Here's one hahahahahahaha, just cut off what you need hahahahahaha then save the is rest for other projects ... http://cgi.ebay.com/UHMW-Polyethylen...QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Lifetime-37-...QQcmdZViewItem ============== __________________ PodCast videos RWS on YouTube http://www.routerforums.com/86898-post1.html Besure and click on the Up Arrow key ▲ on the Youtube video, you can select other youtube videos on router tables http://www.woodworkingonline.com/?s=dovetail Machine Cut ▼ http://www.woodworkingonline.com/200...cut-dovetails/ http://www.woodworkingonline.com/woo...podcast-store/ http://www.woodshopdemos.com/menu2.htm Bob J.
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