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**challagan** · 05-06-2007, 12:49 AM

Dowels are far worse than biscuits. I have refinished my share of old furniture and the dowel joints is always the one that fails. God I remember doing my first panel glue up with dowels... that really sucked!

Give me my Kreg Pocket hole jig now

Corey

**bobj3** · 05-06-2007, 10:29 AM

Hi Corey

I will need to 2nd that one. I don't recall the last time I use dowels to hold a project together, I have many dowel jigs but they are in a box some where in the shop

it's been that long ago .... I'm not a big fan of biscuits but they are better than using dowels, it's a joke when my son and I watch Norm A. (of the NYWS) my son calls him the biscuit king

because he will try and use them all over the project, but he is now using the Kreg Pocket hole jig more and more with some biscuits.

Don't get me wrong I like Norm, he is a great craftsman and I'm sure we all wish we had a shop like his

and his deep sponsor pockets

......

He made a Entrance door last week on his show and it blew me away how neat he did it without the need for high end tools..

(floating type tetons inserts) ...without one dowel pin....or one biscuit...

Entrance Door
http://www.newyankee.com/getproduct3.cgi?0702
http://www.newyankee.com/video.cgi?0702

Bj

**challagan** · 05-06-2007, 11:19 AM

That was a good project. Norm can do a lot without all the fancy tools. Sponsors like you to use their tools so you can't blame Norm for that... but man how about that wide belt sander!! I laugh when I hear some people bashing Norm in forums for having every tool (and I know you are not doing that) when I see shops posted in those same forums that would rival Norms shop! Not production shops but Hobby shops to boot.
Funny thing about the pocket holes, he does have a production pocket hole machine (of course) but you will see him use the little pocket rocket Kreg jig all the time.

Wish the Router boys could get a good sponsor to keep the show going!

Corey

Joe Lyddon · 05-06-2007, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harrysin

Gentlemen, I think we are all agreed, in the normal course of things biscuits cause no problems and are fast and simple to use with no measuring required and after having used dowels for many years biscuits are a delight to use.

Yes... agreed...

If there ever is a problem, just let it sit for awhile to dry out.

Joe Lyddon · 05-06-2007, 11:43 AM

It seems like recently I saw Norm use both biscuits and Kreg screws in the same project...

**challagan** · 05-06-2007, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Lyddon

It seems like recently I saw Norm use both biscuits and Kreg screws in the same project...

Exactly... just like Bj said : "I'm not a big fan of biscuits but they are better than using dowels, it's a joke when my son and I watch Norm A. (of the NYWS) my son calls him the biscuit king because he will try and use them all over the project, but he is now using the Kreg Pocket hole jig more and more with some biscuits"

Corey

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challagan Retired Moderator Supreme Forum King Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Iowa Posts: 4,002 View challagan's Gallery	Report This Post! Dowels are far worse than biscuits. I have refinished my share of old furniture and the dowel joints is always the one that fails. God I remember doing my first panel glue up with dowels... that really sucked! Give me my Kreg Pocket hole jig now Corey __________________ My Carving Website: The Iowa Woodcarver http://iowacarver.tripod.com/ My Shop Website - Woodshop 51503 http://woodshop51503.tripod.com/
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bobj3 Forum Contributer Supreme Forum King Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Littleton,Colorado U.S.A. Posts: 8,305 View bobj3's Gallery	Report This Post! Hi Corey I will need to 2nd that one. I don't recall the last time I use dowels to hold a project together, I have many dowel jigs but they are in a box some where in the shop it's been that long ago .... I'm not a big fan of biscuits but they are better than using dowels, it's a joke when my son and I watch Norm A. (of the NYWS) my son calls him the biscuit king because he will try and use them all over the project, but he is now using the Kreg Pocket hole jig more and more with some biscuits. Don't get me wrong I like Norm, he is a great craftsman and I'm sure we all wish we had a shop like his and his deep sponsor pockets ...... He made a Entrance door last week on his show and it blew me away how neat he did it without the need for high end tools.. (floating type tetons inserts) ...without one dowel pin....or one biscuit... Entrance Door http://www.newyankee.com/getproduct3.cgi?0702 http://www.newyankee.com/video.cgi?0702 Bj __________________ PodCast videos RWS on YouTube http://www.routerforums.com/86898-post1.html Besure and click on the Up Arrow key ▲ on the Youtube video, you can select other youtube videos on router tables http://www.woodworkingonline.com/?s=dovetail Machine Cut ▼ http://www.woodworkingonline.com/200...cut-dovetails/ http://www.woodworkingonline.com/woo...podcast-store/ http://www.woodshopdemos.com/menu2.htm Bob J.
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05-06-2007, 11:19 AM	#33
challagan Retired Moderator Supreme Forum King Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Iowa Posts: 4,002 View challagan's Gallery	Report This Post! That was a good project. Norm can do a lot without all the fancy tools. Sponsors like you to use their tools so you can't blame Norm for that... but man how about that wide belt sander!! I laugh when I hear some people bashing Norm in forums for having every tool (and I know you are not doing that) when I see shops posted in those same forums that would rival Norms shop! Not production shops but Hobby shops to boot. Funny thing about the pocket holes, he does have a production pocket hole machine (of course) but you will see him use the little pocket rocket Kreg jig all the time. Wish the Router boys could get a good sponsor to keep the show going! Corey __________________ My Carving Website: The Iowa Woodcarver http://iowacarver.tripod.com/ My Shop Website - Woodshop 51503 http://woodshop51503.tripod.com/ Last edited by challagan; 05-06-2007 at 11:44 AM.
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Joe Lyddon Banned Supreme Forum King Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Alta Loma, CA USA Posts: 2,168 View Joe Lyddon's Gallery	Report This Post! It seems like recently I saw Norm use both biscuits and Kreg screws in the same project...
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