jer760

Do you guys feel that pocket hole joinery is a viable option to mortise and tenon??? And if so, is the Kreg system I've read so much about the right one to get? Your opinions will go a long way to help me decide which way I want to go. Thanks in advance.

Jer.

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It can be. It's a great strong joint, preferred by most in cabinetry, rail and stile and drawer construction and some furniture sub construction such as rails and aprons for tables. Not considered to be acceptable in "fine" furniture... not due to it's strength but due to it's looks and ease of use (less skill required). Personally I use them whenever possible and don't much care if someone thinks it isn't acceptable joinery. The Kreg is usually considered the king of pocket hole jigs. PSI makes a cheaper version, Sommerfield makes one... all will do the job. I like the Kreg and Sommerfield jigs myself. That's my take on pocket holes anyway......

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Hi jer760

"pocket hole joinery is a viable option" = Yes and it can be used many,many other ways...


I have the Kreg system but I recommend the sommerfeld pocket hole jig,, WHY, 1st. is the price, 2nd. it can do all the things the Kreg can do and with just a bit more, you can mount it to just about any board ,then when your done with just put in the drawer or under the bench...it's true it will not come with a vac. pickup but how big of a mess can you make by drilling some holes....

Pocket Cutter Starter Set
http://www.sommerfeldtools.com/item....ppj2&d=158&b=2
Plus the item below
http://www.sommerfeldtools.com/item....2E06&b=3&d=158

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http://www.amazon.com/Kreg-K3SP-Pock...7954072&sr=1-5

http://www.amazon.com/Kreg-K3MS-Mast...7954072&sr=1-1

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One small note,,I'm sure you have heard the saying, "you can't have to many clamps" with the pocket hole jig the need for BIG clamps drops... because the screw will do the same job and sometimes better ...and it's always quicker..no wait time for the glue to setup and dry...


But I do recommend the two items below from Kreg,,,the big clamp and the bench top inlay plate with clamp, they make the hard jobs easy..

The 1st. picture ,shows the clamp to hold the stock at a right angle,it's always hard to hold in place but the clamp makes it easy.two clamps makes the job a bit easyer,holding the stock up right and freeing your hands up to get the screws in place.
The 2nd. picture, shows the inlay plate that can be installed in a flat work bench ,the clamp slides into a slot and can be a great tool to hold the work in place,it's a plated 1/4" thick steel plate and can be wiped clean after the glue and screws are put in place,I installed in a flip up table top and a great way to keep all the parts lined up at pocket screw time.

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I bought the Kreg System a month ago and just completed my first set of cabinets with it - GREAT!! I can't believe I didn't see the utility before and will never be without it again. As previously cited there are several manufacturers and I believe all will produce the same result so satisfy yourself based on quality and price.

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jer760,
I also have the Kreg System and it works great. As bobJ3 said those clamps make things go smoothly.

Ladd

I note that Timberline has the Sommerfeld pocket hole jig kit that comes with a phenolic plate that fits the Industrio table.

http://www.amazon.com/CMT-PPJ-001-Po.../dp/B000Q9319M

Any advantage to this "all in one" solution?

I don't know if getting one that the router table exactly is needlessly locking in to one type of use or an advantage by at least getting another matching plate for the table ...

bobj3

Hi Ladd

The drop in plate is going to cost you about 70.oo bucks just for the plate not the other parts,,,you can pickup some 3/8" MDF stock or 3/4" and put a rabbit on it or plastic for about 1/10th price and have the same thing...the starter kit is about 50.oo bucks and the clamp is 10.oo bucks.. see what I mean..But once you see the DVD you will see what I'm talking about..


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jer760

Thanks much for the replies fellas, looks like the Kreg master system for me, just need to chase down the best buy.

Jer

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bobj3

Hi Jer

At one time on eBay you could get the older model for 60.oo bucks plus shipping without the vac. pickup..close out sale on the older models from Kreg but not from Kreg, from someone buying them up to sale on eBay..

The older model has the clamp system in the back and no vac.pickup..
But it works great also...
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jer760

Once again, thanks for the wisdom. I've ordered the K3 Master, will look into some of the clamping suggestions after I've had the chance to see how it all works. Pictures at eleven. Ttyl.

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