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Old 05-07-2008, 01:52 PM   #1
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No, not woodworking help, but electrical help! First the story, then the question...

I have an FT2000e that I have kept table-mounted for a couple years now. I was using it yesterday (table mounted) to rout edges on a series of panels and as I was switching panels, I heard the router give a "warble". I quickly reached for the power switch and switched it off. I had an experience once of a router bit moving vertically, and I had a nightmare of my bit having come loose and about to fly free, but I'm glad to say it was not that...

So I look things over, everything looks fine, the bit is still firmly attached, so I flip the switch back on: NOTHING.

The sound I had heard can be best described as the sound a Formula-1 car makes when its RPMs are restricted by its engine limiter, like the router was not firing on all cylinders.

I took the thing apart, blew out the dust, tested again, but no luck. I then got out my volt-meter, and did some continuity-probing (without being plugged in), and everything "looks" OK, with two exceptions... The variable-speed control is not showing any continuity between the in-and-out leads (of course, with no power applied). Secondly, one of the brushes has an edge missing.

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So my real question is, does anyone know whether the speed-control should have continuity with no voltage, or only with voltage?

And secondly, would that small chip in the brush cause the failure to start? Any way to test/eliminate that as a possibility? I'm reasonably competent electrically, but without knowing what appropriate values are, I can't self-diagnose it...

And finally, does anyone have a service-manual for the router, or is the assembly diagram the best/only information available?

Yes, a long post, but thought I'd be thorough
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Old 05-07-2008, 05:45 PM   #2
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Hi, if you have a repair shop close by, I'd pick up a new brush. They aren't that much and easy to replace. If you still have your manual, there should be specs listed somewhere, it should give you the proper values. As for the speed control, I can't answer, never tested one, actually, never had a reason too.

You may also want to contact CharlesM here on the forums, he works for Freud, he may be able to give you some better answer(s).
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You know you have a bad brush, so the first step is to replace the pair of brushes. Odds are your controller has failed as well, but go one step at a time. If the router is used exclusively in a table you can bypass the controller and use an external speed controller instead. The things that cause controller failure are heat and vibration, and common sense will tell you a larger speed controller mounted to the table as opposed to in the router will get less vibration and dissipate heat faster. This is why I own a pair of Bosch 1617's instead of the 1617EVS models.
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Hi Dekker,

Welcome to the group. Sorry to hear of the problem with your router. The brushes should definitely be replaced and the speed module tested by a Freud authorized repair center. There will be no continuity through the module. When operating properly it will output voltage to the field. The exploded parts view is the only information available relative to the inner workings.
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Hi Dekker

The days of a tech. replacing a part on a board are gone ,do what most shops now do now, just replace the brushes and the speed control device and be done with it...I think I would replace the brushes 1st. then if you still have a error replace the speed control device...

I would not bypass the control device it's one things you want and I'm sure that's why you put out the extra money out a for the router 2 years ago..
fix it right and it will sever you will for many more years...the parts you need should not be that high in price and maybe with some luck you may get the speed control device free they do have some that had errors on them I'm sure...

JUST as a side note ,,,we have a 2 year old ref.( HotPoint that we got from HD) and it stop runing and the server tech. came out and said it only had a one year warr.but the Fac. would pay for this repair, he pull the Ref. out pull the cover off the computer board, snapped in a new board and it was up and running again in less than 5 mins. and all at no charge.. so to say they sometimes they put in bad parts at the Fac. and some do fail but they know that by others having the same error...if I recall this right some one on the forum had the same error...


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No, not woodworking help, but electrical help! First the story, then the question...

I have an FT2000e that I have kept table-mounted for a couple years now. I was using it yesterday (table mounted) to rout edges on a series of panels and as I was switching panels, I heard the router give a "warble". I quickly reached for the power switch and switched it off. I had an experience once of a router bit moving vertically, and I had a nightmare of my bit having come loose and about to fly free, but I'm glad to say it was not that...

So I look things over, everything looks fine, the bit is still firmly attached, so I flip the switch back on: NOTHING.

The sound I had heard can be best described as the sound a Formula-1 car makes when its RPMs are restricted by its engine limiter, like the router was not firing on all cylinders.

I took the thing apart, blew out the dust, tested again, but no luck. I then got out my volt-meter, and did some continuity-probing (without being plugged in), and everything "looks" OK, with two exceptions... The variable-speed control is not showing any continuity between the in-and-out leads (of course, with no power applied). Secondly, one of the brushes has an edge missing.

Questions:
========
So my real question is, does anyone know whether the speed-control should have continuity with no voltage, or only with voltage?

And secondly, would that small chip in the brush cause the failure to start? Any way to test/eliminate that as a possibility? I'm reasonably competent electrically, but without knowing what appropriate values are, I can't self-diagnose it...

And finally, does anyone have a service-manual for the router, or is the assembly diagram the best/only information available?

Yes, a long post, but thought I'd be thorough
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Well, it's been a few weeks, and here's the update. (Thanks for all the suggestions everyone!)

I brought it to a shop and the tech agreed with my prognosis. So I ordered a replacement speed controller for the router (95$). A week and a bit later I get the call that it has come in, and discover it is the wrong part! Well, not quite. The one I needed was part number xx15, they sent xx16, which is the replacement for the 15, but newer. They were nice enough to include some instructions and a couple small parts to convert my existing router to handle the new controller.

BUT, the last line in the instructions read: If your router does not have the threaded shaft, you will need to replace the armature as well.

WHAT!!?? Of course, mine is not threaded, and so I'm looking at another $125? to replace the armature of the router (the main body that spins...) With that investment (225) I may as well consider replacing the router!

So for now I left the part at the shop, and am window shopping for a new router. I need one ASAP to finish the project I'm in the middle of. I'll probably keep my eye out for pawn shop duds and classifieds for a used/dead Freud FT2000 so I can steal its controller (my router body is pristine!).

I'm somewhat disappointed in Freud though, to not continue offering the existing part. I'd pay the same $95 to get the same old controller, even knowing that it might die in another 2-3 years. I just can't justify spending over 200 for parts that will get me 90 days warranty, when a brand new one is 350 with 5 years.

Now I'm going to have to look at other brands again, but this time I'll be keeping a better eye on the repairability of the router! Oh well, yet another review to add to my blogs!
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HI Dekker

This is what I would do ,, just put it to one side and use it for parts or drop a dime and check with the company below...

I did get one (ft2000e) off Amazon for 115.oo bucks it was a factory recondititon one and I'm very happy with it...90 warr.day thing..
I don't recall the name of the company that reworked the router but if you ask I will find the invoice and post it..
Here's the phone number that was on the box 336-434-3171 ,I'm sure they sell them all the time..

And for a long shot they just may have the right speed control for your router..at the right price...

here's one more long shot
AAA motors is a member of the forum and he did post that he repairs routers, he just may have a good used one , can't hurt to ask

http://www.routerforums.com/members...tors-15347.html
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Well, it's been a few weeks, and here's the update. (Thanks for all the suggestions everyone!)

I brought it to a shop and the tech agreed with my prognosis. So I ordered a replacement speed controller for the router (95$). A week and a bit later I get the call that it has come in, and discover it is the wrong part! Well, not quite. The one I needed was part number xx15, they sent xx16, which is the replacement for the 15, but newer. They were nice enough to include some instructions and a couple small parts to convert my existing router to handle the new controller.

BUT, the last line in the instructions read: If your router does not have the threaded shaft, you will need to replace the armature as well.

WHAT!!?? Of course, mine is not threaded, and so I'm looking at another $125? to replace the armature of the router (the main body that spins...) With that investment (225) I may as well consider replacing the router!

So for now I left the part at the shop, and am window shopping for a new router. I need one ASAP to finish the project I'm in the middle of. I'll probably keep my eye out for pawn shop duds and classifieds for a used/dead Freud FT2000 so I can steal its controller (my router body is pristine!).

I'm somewhat disappointed in Freud though, to not continue offering the existing part. I'd pay the same $95 to get the same old controller, even knowing that it might die in another 2-3 years. I just can't justify spending over 200 for parts that will get me 90 days warranty, when a brand new one is 350 with 5 years.

Now I'm going to have to look at other brands again, but this time I'll be keeping a better eye on the repairability of the router! Oh well, yet another review to add to my blogs!
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Dekker,

Sorry to hear that the part is not available. We are constantly working to improve our tools so parts will occasionally be changed. We try to keep parts available for at least 10 years and in this case I believe the router you have is at least that old. Please bear in mind that the rebuild you refer to would result in a tool that is like new for considerably less cost than a new one.
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