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This is a discussion on Red Oak Nightmare within the Wood Species forums, part of the General Woodworking category; Originally Posted by JOAT Well, on the bright side, looks like you have a couple ...


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Old 12-21-2013, 05:22 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Well, on the bright side, looks like you have a couple of pieces to practice with.

I've never routed letters, on anything, but have routed some edges on red oak. I'd say go very, very, slowly - not the bit, but moving the router. Not sure that would do it, but all I can come up with at the moment. Or, perhaps a Dremel would work better, if you have one.

Does it 'have' to be routed? Or could it be burned?
Theo, I can't burn. Never could. Tried & tried & tried. Just can't get the technique of it.

I had to use my Dremel on the Walnut portion of this to do some of the lettering because my router (trim or otherwise) just wasn't gonna do it. I tried using my Dremel on this, but that was just as bad; I tried going super slow, I tried doing it in multiple passes, I tried slower rpm's, maxing out the rpm's... I can't TELL you how disappointed in this one I am... never thought I would have to give it up to the wood. I thought at first that the first piece was too dry, that the second would be a little more giving, but I was wrong there, as well. I'm thinking if I could burn, that would be the better way to go with this one; unless of course he wanted to use a light colored filling on the lettering, of course. I think on the Walnut portion we were gonna fill it in with my colored wood filler. The problem with that is that it's gonna show every single boo boo in the design.

The lesson here, boys n' girls is

Walnut & Read Oak Don't Like To Be Graffitied Upon lol

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Old 12-21-2013, 06:14 PM   #12 (permalink)
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OK, something a bit different.
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Very Interesting, but not so sure I like mixing those chemicals. But thanks anyway *sigh* Oh well - we move forward.
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Have you tried a router pantograph? I'm suggesting this because you could enlarge your text many times larger than the size that you need to cut and set the pantograph to reduce the size back down. You guide the stylus of the pantograph along your enlarged text while the router on the pantograph carves the reduced size into your wood. With the mechanical advantage of the pantograph in your favor it would reduce the movement errors of the router significantly and the wood grain would have less effect on the router movement. Router pantographs can be built.

Building the router pantograph by matthias wandel, - YouTube

A Google search will probably bring up a few more. Sears and Milescraft offer commercialy made versions too.


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Barb, I've seen your postings and I find it difficult to believe you are having issues.(compliment), but in reading through the thread I did not find a description of the bit; on woods that are strongly grained use the lowest number of flutes and highest speed possible when using a CNC. A good style of bit for this application is a Rockler - Cnc Router Bits - Half-Conical Bits for CNC Carving Machines-Click-N-Carve Bits.

I have used the Chinese version of this on green red oak and it never skipped a beat.

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Consider sandblasting.
Which can lead to glass etching.
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Barb, I've seen your postings and I find it difficult to believe you are having issues.(compliment), but in reading through the thread I did not find a description of the bit; on woods that are strongly grained use the lowest number of flutes and highest speed possible when using a CNC. A good style of bit for this application is a Rockler - Cnc Router Bits - Half-Conical Bits for CNC Carving Machines-Click-N-Carve Bits.

I have used the Chinese version of this on green red oak and it never skipped a beat.

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Part of the problem, I think, is that the lettering has seriffs and is angled (like italics) so you are coming at the wood trying to move the router diagonally across very strong grain. The sample posted by semipro is about as fine as you're going to get at 5/8ths, and notice it is sans (without)seriffs and the lines don't wander, they mostly go with or against the grain. I think you are using the wrong wood for this and might consider using something harder, less grainy and more dense, and then staining it as close as you can to oak. The client will have to approve a change in type face, but the material and typeface I think are incompatible. Just my opinion.
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Consider sandblasting.
Which can lead to glass etching.
Wow Ralph that's some gorgeous work! But y'all seem to think I have money to get the machines for some elaborate beautiful work I'm a pauper playing a game with what little tools she has to get the best look she can.

But you can bet if I had the funds I would have a couple big tools like a sandblaster cuz I've seen what they can do. My next toy though will be a lathe (after a new laptop. Mine is on his last legs quite literally and if he goes I'm done. No more cutting for me)
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Not a client Tim but a good friend and it's a project he's making that has a lot of meaning. The two woods together he chose makes the whole thing
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