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Ken this forum is Bosch 1617 prejudiced. I myself have a fine Craftsman router that I have used for over three years. I have had great luck with Sears Parts Direct. Yea Bosch makes a good router but it is NOT the only good router out there.
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Nope...but it is the best Customer Service!
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I bought this combo about 5 years ago to cut out openings for subwoofers. I paid right around that maybe 84.99 hard to remember. I have had no issues at all besides breaking the plastic dust extractor shield but that was my fault not the tool. I would say that for someone new on a budget or needing a router ocasionally its a great choice. I have the turn-lock base on mine mainly for the circle jig but recently obtained some template kits and dovetails jigs so starting to use the guide bushings more. I was looking at a similar Porter Cable at the time but for my needs then the price at more than 100 cheaper was the winner. Still use it almost daily. I was thinking about getting another one just to be able to keep one mounted on my little table and not having to keep switching. I eventually will look into a more heavy duty unit maybe Triton or Festool but for now this set works fine.

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Sears sells most of their tools under the assumption that it will get used lightly or occasionally. The biggest issue we see with Sears routers is the lack of parts after they are a few years old. If you plan on using a router hard and you expect it to take and still last a long time then Sears is a bad choice. On the other side, a router like Bosch's 1617 is made to worked hard and Bosch has sold so many of them, and continues to do so, that I would expect to be able to get parts for many years to come.

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I've been switching over to Bosch also....jig saw, angle grinder, oscillating multitool....Bosch blades are top notch. I have a Sears Table Saw from the 1970's....parts are available but pricey. Another company that has gone downhill when it comes to parts is Delta....may have something to do with companies buying and selling each other. Seems that you get what you pay for still holds true.
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I'm a Bosch guy. Haven't had a bad one yet. And welcome, glad you've joined the party.

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Excellent idea to get the parts while you can.

Yes, the Bosch is that good. Don't think I have had a bad Bosch tool of any kind yet.




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parts never seem to be an issue....

1st rate plus customer service too...

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Stick, early in this thread you were lauding the Bosch machine either as a new or reconditioned unit. Out here in Ozland, we occasionally see cheaper brand goods for sale listed as reconditioned, but there seems to be a lot more reco units (in proportion to new units, and in the higher price/quality ranges too) on offer in the US.

Our reco units tend to be units that failed under warranty and exchanged by the original purchaser and have been patched up to sell on. Is this largely similar in the US, or are there other lines of supply into the reco product program, like customer returns because they don't need the machine, it was an unwanted gift, etc.

I ask because personally I have a view that if there is a big market for reco Brand X product, then there is probably something wrong with the product in the first place, and no real guarantee that the problem, or another one, won't visit upon a reco or new machine shortly. Hence, here in Oz, if something has a fair proportion of reco items for sale relitive to the new items, I see it as a product to avoid as I don't want to be one of the bunnies that ends up with one of the 5-10% of units that fail. I have a hell of a lot of tools and machines, some dating back to the mid sixties, and rarely have issues with failures, but are very wary of buying stuff if the company has a lot of warranty claims or sells on a lot of machines to be or that have been reco'd.

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Stick, early in this thread you were lauding the Bosch machine either as a new or reconditioned unit.

1... Out here in Ozland, we occasionally see cheaper brand goods for sale listed as reconditioned, but there seems to be a lot more recon units (in proportion to new units, and in the higher price/quality ranges too) on offer in the US.

2... Our recon units tend to be units that failed under warranty and exchanged by the original purchaser and have been patched up to sell on. Is this largely similar in the US, or are there other lines of supply into the recon product program, like customer returns because they don't need the machine, it was an unwanted gift, etc.

3... I ask because personally I have a view that if there is a big market for recon Brand X product, then there is probably something wrong with the product in the first place, and no real guarantee that the problem, or another one, won't visit upon a recon or new machine shortly. Hence, here in Oz, if something has a fair proportion of recon items for sale relative to the new items, I see it as a product to avoid as I don't want to be one of the bunnies that ends up with one of the 5-10% of units that fail. I have a hell of a lot of tools and machines, some dating back to the mid sixties, and rarely have issues with failures, but are very wary of buying stuff if the company has a lot of warranty claims or sells on a lot of machines to be or that have been reco'd.

Any comments appreciated, Thanks.
1... Can't speak on what you have available to you.. no experience w/ any of the equipment...
2... Add trade show demos, 30 day buy backs, returns for no reason, factory quality control failures or any other reason you can come up w/...
the buy back program...
somebody buys a Bosch router or for that matter any Bosch tool and uses to do their project..
they return it when they finish (real cheap rental) or abuse it or or or or before the 30 days is up... (this happens a lot)..
all those tools go to a recon center here in the US and are completely over hauled and sent back out to be sold...
3... for decades (almost 4) I have bought Bosch recons as 1st choice and never once have I had an issue..
FWIW... Bosch CS/TS hands down is absolutely outstanding...

NOTE...
I'm a commercial operation...
and I own A LOT of Bosch...
FWIW.. Milwaukee tools is the same way or at least they use to be..
lost touch w/ them since their take over...
My VOE says PC should rank in there w/ your line of thinking...
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