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Iím almost seeing why guys go this route ,as it sounds fairly hassle free .
But are you stuck using Mach3 instead of UCCNC if your using cncrouterparts plug and play controller ?

A question for Scott . Itís been a while, but I believe on a 4x8 you had to splice something on yours. Not sure if it was the linear rails or the gear rack or both ?
In an email , Cncrouterparts did say they could give me a quote on a system that does not involve splicing .
Itís either that ,or go with a Pro4848 for now, and if I find itís to small and I have the room , I can always upgrade .
I would prefer to go 4x8 though, and get it over with . I have to admit the 4x8 does have a considerable footprint , and Iím not sure how obtrusive that would be .
My main interests are making 3D carvings , so Iím not sure if Iíd require the extra size , but you never know . It may provide more opportunities for future sales .
A friend of mine is into pro audio,and Iím not sure what the biggest cut is for bass bins .
Thatís probably where a 5x5 would be better , and itís tempting,as it would fit much better . Not sure if I trust the stiffness of that wide of a gantry though .

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Just cause you have a 48 x 48 bed doesn't mean you're limited to that size for a project. With tiling and slicing and splicing and a couple other "tricks" there is really no limit what you can do. Remember when Scottart made that 6' round sign using just his Shark? Granted, the new machine cut the mfg down substantially, but it was still doable.

Everything I've done except for a couple things could have been done with a 24 x 24 bed with no problems. You can always make the bed bigger with CNCRP if you need to.
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Just cause you have a 48 x 48 bed doesn't mean you're limited to that size for a project. With tiling and slicing and splicing and a couple other "tricks" there is really no limit what you can do. Remember when Scottart made that 6' round sign using just his Shark? Granted, the new machine cut the mfg down substantially, but it was still doable.

Everything I've done except for a couple things could have been done with a 24 x 24 bed with no problems. You can always make the bed bigger with CNCRP if you need to.
Ya tiling is always an option. I placed some wood in my shop to see how a 4x8 would sit, and it’s not to bad, but certainly not perfect either .
I hate to design my shop in such a way as it gets so busy in there that you don’t even want to spend time working in that environment.

I’m considering plug and play now , as it’s just aggravating doing so much research to see what fits and how .
My only concern is I believe the boards they use are designed for Mach3-4 , whereas I wanted to learn UCCN.
Watched a video on UCCNC,and they showed an improvement in cuts under certain circumstances.

I was wondering why there plug and play spindle was so much money compared to most I’ve seen . But when I googled that GMT spindle , I was amazed how much it was worth . I have no idea what’s so special about it though . Tolerances?
I heard one running in a video, and thought it was kind of loud for a spindle

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The plug and play system uses an Ethernet Smooth Stepper controller, which only works with Mach3 or Mach4. They should be close to moving to Mach4, from what I've heard.

The difference between plug and play and building your own is probably $500 and 100 hours of work.

I've never seen one, but the pictures I've seen of the GMT spindles makes them appear to be much higher quality that the typical $350 chinese spindles.
And even at $1000, they're still close to half the price of a "name brand" spindle.
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The plug and play system uses an Ethernet Smooth Stepper controller, which only works with Mach3 or Mach4. They should be close to moving to Mach4, from what I've heard.

The difference between plug and play and building your own is probably $500 and 100 hours of work.

I've never seen one, but the pictures I've seen of the GMT spindles makes them appear to be much higher quality that the typical $350 chinese spindles.
And even at $1000, they're still close to half the price of a "name brand" spindle.
Thank you Gerry . For 500 bucks Iíll just go plug and play. I believe your a fan of UCCNC. Many advantages over Mach3?
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Rick,

To get started and find out what it's all about -- just go the plug and play until you know what's all involved and if you even want to go deeper in it. You want to make jigs or finished projects? Different strokes for different folks. I'd rather make sawdust as quickly and simply as possible - and leave the electronics to the nerds.

If people are going to buy what you make, they don't really care what system you used. It's if they like it and are willing to part with the $$$. The electric company and grocery store don't care what system you use. They just want the bill paid.

I'm just saying get your feet wet first. Then decide if you want to change things around. Don't make it more than it is.

Now, if you don't care about turning things out and just want to play around - that's a different story. But I got the impression you want this venture to bring in a dollar or two.

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HJ, Who you calling a nerd?? LOL

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Yeah! I resemble that remark!! LOL!

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If you buy their plug and play, just install Mach4 instead of Mach3 and you are golden. Bypasses the m3 issues, and has the better 3d planner. The UCCNC compatible motion controllers seem to be well regarded, but none of them can match the 4MHz pulse capability of the ESS. I actually bought one of the AXBB-E controllers and a UCCNC license, it is a virtually plug and play replacement for the ESS (but only 400khz, still much faster than any parallel port), so you can change it out in the future.

If we could just convince Gerry to release a Mach4 screenset... But in actuality, Mach4 is much easier to customize yourself, has most of the macros included (except tool touchoff using a both permanent fixed and movable probe, there is a probing screen for normal touch offs)
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If you buy their plug and play, just install Mach4 instead of Mach3 and you are golden. Bypasses the m3 issues, and has the better 3d planner. The UCCNC compatible motion controllers seem to be well regarded, but none of them can match the 4MHz pulse capability of the ESS. I actually bought one of the AXBB-E controllers and a UCCNC license, it is a virtually plug and play replacement for the ESS (but only 400khz, still much faster than any parallel port), so you can change it out in the future.

If we could just convince Gerry to release a Mach4 screenset... But in actuality, Mach4 is much easier to customize yourself, has most of the macros included (except tool touchoff using a both permanent fixed and movable probe, there is a probing screen for normal touch offs)
Speaking of which, I was going to order there touch plate also

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