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I also agree with not using the expanding bolt. My experience with them is that they loosen easily. I've seen pretty good performance lately from just using Tapcon screws in cinder block. You could also use them in conjunction with a concrete adhesive caulk or epoxy for a little insurance. Keep in mind Rick that about 95% of the weight you'll have is straight shear force (going straight downward) and only maybe 5% is angular force wanting to pull away from the wall. You can improve the ratio by hanging the heaviest objects at the bottom of the panel and keeping everything as close to the wall as possible.
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After doing a lot of searching on the internet, seems like Tapcon and Construction adhesive is the preferred way to go. But it is recommended that if the load is over 100# that 2X4 legs under the bottom 2X4 rail should be used.
It might be wise to use a combination of methods ,like the one Otis recommends as well as an abundance of fasteners./
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Charles and Herb , I never thought about using epoxy or adhesive in the holes in conjunction with the Tapcons.
May be a nuisance , but I can see that being great insurance , and as you mentioned, metal ones that expand may loosen off at some point .

Herb it may be wishful thinking on my part , but ideally I wanted it to float . I think it may come down to needing supports as you say though .

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I agree with Vince and Herb on the quick bolts. I've used them very successfully in concrete to anchor decks but I wouldn't recommend them for cinder blocks.

The alternatives offered look good to me but I've no experience with the same.

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Put adhesive on the back of the 2X4's too and if you use enough fasteners like on 12"o.c. on the rails and intermediate vertical 4X4s, you might not need the legs.

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Herb , I misunderstood the product installation. They want install strips on every stud . I’m not happy about this as I’m pretty much building a wall now .

It would be ok , if it weren’t for the fact I get water at the bottom of the wall on occasion .
The wall up higher has been fine with no humidity that I noticed, so I thought I would paint the 2x4’s with a good primer before attaching. I want them secured so that there flat and only 1 1/2” deep .
This way the plastic StoreWall can be secured on its French cleat system , and easily removed for inspection.
So now I need to attach a bunch of additional boards in between the sides ,when at first I only thought I needed a few between the sides .

I guess it’s no big deal in reality, as I can use my pocket hole jig to install additional vertical studs . Just more involved than I signed up for

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Can you put a sheet of plywood over the 2X4's? Or use 1X4's and a sheet of 3/4" plywood ?

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Can you put a sheet of plywood over the 2X4's? Or use 1X4's and a sheet of 3/4" plywood ?

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I thought of that also, but my concern was the possibility of humidity . So my thinking was to have it breath as best it can .

I tried to cancel the order . It may be to late , and I won’t know till tomorrow. But this is starting to be more of a pita than I thought I sighed up for .
I love the product , but I can always work around it.

I certainly appreciate all your guys input, thanks

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What if you have 1X4's vertical @ 16" o.c. glued and fastened to the cinder block with no horizontal rails. Then screw 3/4" plywood to that. The air could circulate up thru the back of the panel. Then install the metal clips for the StoreWall on the plywood. It shows them on garage walls so it should work for you.

StoreWall is made of foam center solid plastic, a little humidity won't hurt it. The SlatWall is MDF, it might be a different story.

Look at the p.2 right hand side secound from the bottom it states:

storeWALL durability
StoreWALL can be installed nearly anywhere:
indoors, outdoors and in high humidity locations. The
panel is water proof and UV resistant.
If the installation is subject to wide temperature
extremes, allow for panel expansion. Avoid installation
in exceptionally high temperature locations.

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You are making it approx. 4' hi X13' long.

Cut 1X4's 4' long and fasten them to the wall vertically every 16", glue the back and use Tapcon fasteners 5 per each 1X4, ( approx. 10) to get 13' long. (12' would be better)

Screw and glue 3/4" plywood over the 1X4's. (that gives you your 1 1/2" shadow for floating effect).

Attach the metal StoreWall clips with screws to the plywood.

Install the StoreWall.

https://www.storewall.com/

And it is on sale right now too,15% off.

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You are making it approx. 4' hi X13' long.

Cut 1X4's 4' long and fasten them to the wall vertically every 16", glue the back and use Tapcon fasteners 5 per each 1X4, ( approx. 10) to get 13' long. (12' would be better)

Screw and glue 3/4" plywood over the 1X4's. (that gives you your 1 1/2" shadow for floating effect).

Attach the metal StoreWall clips with screws to the plywood.

Install the StoreWall.

https://www.storewall.com/

And it is on sale right now too,15% off.

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use PL Premium for adhesive...
where the hole blows out for the tapcon switch to toggle style hollow wall...
in fact, use the hollow wall everywhere...
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