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Guys and gals, I am making some changes in my gym , and installing a product called StoreWall in order to organize my gyms bars and accessories etc .
This is why I’m liking the product


Here’s are the racks on my back wall at present , which I’m removing as my options are limited . I like the mirror, as it makes the room look larger , but not at the expense of limiting my options .


Below is my photoshopped version of what I’d like to do . The yellow is the exposed perimeter of the wood that the StoreWall is attached too . I’m thinking when it’s full to expect close to 300 pounds of weight including the boards and StoreWall .

So I’m going to need to run a 2x4 horizontally across the top and bottom approx 13’ , then have vertical 2x4 on the ends and in the middle , so the French cleats on the StoreWall have a place to anchor . They have there own proprietary French cleat system .
I would like the floating effect , but worse case I could have vertical boards from the floor to the stud at the ceiling level , paint them white so you don’t notice them , and then attach boards to those . But ideally I want the floating look .

I have had limited success with Tapcon cement screws. In the past I drilled a bigger hole than neccesary ,and put a lead insert into the wall first , then drove the Tapcon into the lead insert . You couldn’t move it when it was done that way .
I was thinking about measuring the cinderblock and drilling in the hollow parts instead . This way I could use something that expands .

But now I see these , which would be used in a solid part of the cinderblock .
Is anyone familiar with them ?
I would have to counter sink them into the 2x4, as they it’s neccesary to have them flush with the board so there not in the way of the StoreWall or cleats
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This is a product I have never heard of ,and I see it’s available at Amazon


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Ok , I never insulate
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Rick - those anchors work like this: as you tighten the nut, it pulls the bolt against the sleeve and the flared part at the bottom expands the sleeve so that it wedges against the sides. Having said that, I've used them in a poured concrete floor (under my shed) but I'm not sure if they would work in cinder block. I would think that the block would crack under pressure, but I stand to be corrected.

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They make the same thing as a threaded insert, Rick.
https://www.confast.com/products-single-expansion
https://www.confast.com/products-double-expansion

Double Expansion Anchor – This anchor is designed for use in softer more suspect type base material where the holding values may be questionable. The double expansion anchor is designed so that the entire length of the anchor body expands and pushes against the side wall of the base material. This wide range of expansion gives the anchor a much better chance of obtaining holding values in most types of base materials.
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Vince , I’m with you on the brittleness of cinderblock too . It’s an old house to boot , so there old blocks .

Dan , the double expansion look like the win . Now to source them in the great white north
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Try someplace that deals with the concrete trade...maybe Acklands(?).
Or BC Fasteners.

Maybe these?
Sleeve Anchors - Flat Head Zinc - BC Fasteners & Tools
Not quite what you wanted, but close?

National Concrete Accessories have them...
https://www.nca.ca/product/exp-shiel...-516-x-58-9162
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Try someplace that deals with the concrete trade...maybe Acklands(?).
Or BC Fasteners.

Maybe these?
Sleeve Anchors - Flat Head Zinc - BC Fasteners & Tools
Not quite what you wanted, but close?

National Concrete Accessories have them...
https://www.nca.ca/product/exp-shiel...-516-x-58-9162
Thank Dan . I found them on Amazon.ca . One box was over $200, but I found a 12 pack for under $40. I may need two boxes though .
I’m not in a rush , so I could contact NCA

https://www.amazon.ca/Double-Expansi.../dp/B00AM0WK1U

I’ll keep my options open though . Going with a larger hole to fit a lead insert , and then putting in a Tarcon has worked well in the past . A pita , but it worked

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Rick Rick Rick this is why your shop isn't insulated. You would get a work out if you would insulate your shop. What are we going to do with you???
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Rick Rick Rick this is why your shop isn't insulated. You would get a work out if you would insulate your shop. What are we going to do with you???
I agree Don , as Iím a pro at starting ten projects at once, but not completing any .
Iíve been on and off my bathroom Reno for a decade , and Iím waiting for parts for the gym, so I sidetracked myself and went back to the bathroom . All the while I have to hustle and get a pit dig so a sump pump can be installed before the next flood .
Springs a coming!
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Rick, I agree with Vince the Quick Bolt type are not for Cinder block.
If you drill into the void of the block it will tend to blow out the backside inside the block. If you drill into the partition ,the same thing, The mortar joint will hold a hole better because it has the 2 ends of the block to hold from blowing out.

When I was working we did a lot of that but used 3/8" diam. toggle bolts. The wings on the toggles are wide enough to span any blow out and suck the 2X4 tight to the wall. You are going to be hanging a lot of weight on there . Are you going to screw a 3/4" Plywood backboard to the 2X4's to mount the Store Wall or does it attach to the 2X4's?

Here are some 5" long ones, you will need these long ones because you are mounting thru 1 1/2"board + 1 1/4' block+ have to fold up the wings to get them thru the 1" hole in the block.
https://www.amazon.com/BC-3780TBCR-C...F8+toggle+bolt

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