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Current project- Put a wood stove back in the house.

Background- When we looked at this house, it was a repo, poor shaped, but had a great wood stove. That was the selling point. Closing day, no wood stove. We beared through electric heat, but last winter, the power bills...

Found a small wood stove in need of repairs. Cut off the left side, heated it up, straightened it flat, welded it back together, ground and welded up the cracks, fixed the vents and hinges. Sanded and painted.

Got an old hearth pad from the neighbor, who had a custom tile hearth put in. Striped all the tile off. Collected scraps of granite and Marble. Cut a piece of cdx for the base of the back wall hearth.

Attached is a picture of where I am with that now. You can get an idea of what I'm doing. Nothing is attached yet. cutting everything out, then will shift things as needed before I set them in with thinset.
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Looking very good. Interesting stove too. How large are these pieces?
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Looking very good. Interesting stove too. How large are these pieces?
Here's the scale:
The wood underneath is 41"x41"x1".
The squares are 8"x8". The borders are 4-1/2" wide.

Yes, that stove is sort of unique, but it had tags on it... so some "company" made it. It is sot of on the small side. The firebox will only take 17" or shorter wood.

On the attached pic, on that one I need to make the trim, which will be wood.

Now I how to make the hearth for the wall.
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I have a wood burning fireplace insert in my house in BC which is the primary source of heat although I tell the insurance company that it is just backup to electric. No gas lines where the house is and electric and propane are too expensive. In order to get insurance the last time we had to change companies, I had to have it inspected. Despite that there was a hearth about 12 inches in front and to the sides, I had to tile another 12" around the hearth. Had it been a freestanding heater like yours, I believe that the distance is 24" around it and you have to have a non-combustible surface (like cement board and tile) behind it that has a 1" airspace to the wall with a gap at the bottom so that it will draw air when it warms up. Of course you need the doubled walled stainless steel chimney, thimble, etc to go with it.

At least those are the codes where I live. We also don't have fire protection. If you do, the rules might be slightly different.

Most of the newer stoves that I am familiar with have fireboxes about that size. They seem to be more efficient and produce less emissions. My father-in-law bought a heater about 30 years ago that was made by a guy who was a very good welder but not an engineer. It had a firebox that was about 3' x 3' x 3'. When he filled it up he couldn't control it and it went through about 3 times as much wood in a winter as a heater 1/3 its size.

Someone I consider a master woodworker once told me that a master woodworker is not someone who never makes mistakes. He is someone who is able to cover them up so that no one can tell.
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Charles,

The reg's here say 18"... That is why I have to add the wall hearth. Small town and I live on the same grid as the hospital. The fire station is about 4 blocks away. There are fire plugs near. It had a wood stove in it already. It had been put in by a wood stove dealer around 1993. The neighber next dor had theirs put in by the same delaer at the same time. So some things have changed since then... So when they had it put in at that time, They didn't need a wall hearth. It's like replacing the old existing stove. It's still listed with the county as dual heat. Wood and electricity. But you know me, I always over-build things to make sure I'm well within the reg's..

I do have one decision I haven't set on yet. She wants to add one of those heat powered fans:

Her, growing up (and later years), she said she always had something like that. She says it works pretty well. It sets on top of the stove and the fan turns powered by the heat of the stove. I can't imagine that the fan could push much air, powered that way. But I have no experience with those.

I don't think that would be as efficient as a stove pipe reclaimer:

This is the type I have experience with, whether it's in the pipe, tubes through the top chamber of a double chamber stove or tubes directly in the top of a stove, with air forced through the pipes.

I guess if the power were off, the first might be better, because it would still work. But I do have a generator, that I keep the frigs and freezer's going... So I'm trying to decide which one I'll go with.

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Mike; my major complaint with my Regency air-tight insert is the stupidity and bull headedness of the installers. I told them I wanted a make-up air port to the exterior of the house but they basically told me I didn't need one/I didn't know what I was talking about. Now, when it's running there's a bloody gale coming down from the top floor to the lowest level where the fireplace-insert is. %$%#@&*!!!
I'm using air that I just paid for heating up as combustion air.
And folks up here wonder why the good citizens prefer to travel down to Vancouver to shop, or bring contractors up from, to do their trades work.
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Mike; my major complaint with my Regency air-tight insert is the stupidity and bull headedness of the installers. I told them I wanted a make-up air port to the exterior of the house but they basically told me I didn't need one/I didn't know what I was talking about. Now, when it's running there's a bloody gale coming down from the top floor to the lowest level where the fireplace-insert is. %$%#@&*!!!
I'm using air that I just paid for heating up as combustion air.
And folks up here wonder why the good citizens prefer to travel down to Vancouver to shop, or bring contractors up from, to do their trades work.
Thought about floor vents? I know that's old school (centuries old), but effective.

Mine is single story. Sharon and I both have knee troubles... in the same-side knee. If a problem here, I thought about adding wall vents from room to room. If I have a draft shortage, I thought about going from the below floor crawlspace... But this stove really isn't setup for outside venting.

The house here is really, really, really well insulated. In the summer, one small a/c window unit (when I do need to turn it on) will cool the whole house. That, and it's only 1100 sq./ft.

Hey, if this stove "isn't" good enough to heat this house, then a different stove with a different strategy... My old mentor had a wood furnace for radiant heat. Wrong type of construction here to do that. For something like this, I have a picture in my head of internal tubes, a back-burner, switchable drafts and a central hvac type of ducting delivery from floor vents.

I have another bigger, also "free" one waiting in the wings. One of my shoeing customer's replaced theirs for something more modern... but. it heated their house which is 2500 sq/ft on 2 stories and was built around 1900. (Thinking the walls are probably only 4 by construction on that.) But it could be something I wouldn't have any reservations about modifying. Of course I might have to build ramps and use my pallet jack to get that one into the house...

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Mike; my major complaint with my Regency air-tight insert is the stupidity and bull headedness of the installers. I told them I wanted a make-up air port to the exterior of the house but they basically told me I didn't need one/I didn't know what I was talking about. Now, when it's running there's a bloody gale coming down from the top floor to the lowest level where the fireplace-insert is. %$%#@&*!!!
I'm using air that I just paid for heating up as combustion air.
And folks up here wonder why the good citizens prefer to travel down to Vancouver to shop, or bring contractors up from, to do their trades work.
I have a Regency insert too and it isn't built for outside air intake.

Someone I consider a master woodworker once told me that a master woodworker is not someone who never makes mistakes. He is someone who is able to cover them up so that no one can tell.
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Mike, those heat operated fans do work. A powered one works better. The heat saver can put out a lot of heat but there is one downside in that cooling the exhaust can promote creosoting above the device and even in the device.

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Charles; I know. How'd it ever get past CSA as an energy efficient appliance?

Mike; Our place is an up and down split level. The fireplace is on a cold East exterior wall on the lowest level (family rm.) That's the worst possible place to put the thing.
Unfortunately it's at slab level; no floor vents possible...but the old existing chimney did have combustion air vents to the exterior, in the brickwork. Instead of working with me to retro fit some alternative, they just did it their way...
I can honestly say that's the only complaint that I personally have had with the trades I've used up here. (I have heard some horror stories from others, mind you.)
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