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I need to replace our old, chipped porcelain over cast iron kitchen sink. My wife wants stainless steel but I have some durability concerns. The BORG advertises a 22 ga. stainless unit for $110 and a 20 ga. for $400. Both are described as "durable" but I suspect they're pretty thin. I'm looking for something that will not dent if a frying pan is dropped in it (from an inch or two, not 3 feet).

Another thing: The dimensions of the old sink, measured to the inside edge of the separate top rim, is 31-1/2 X 20-1/2. The new sinks generally say 33 X 19 or 19-1/2. Depth of the old sink is 6-1/4...the new ones are 6-1/4 or 7-1/4.

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Well Chuck stainless steel dents just like porcelain chips, for me it's the wife's kitchen let her have what she wants tell her don't drop anything in the sink
The heavier the gauge the better the sink They also come insulated and non insulated, The better the sink the more they cost
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This may become a moot question. The wife and I just had a conversation about replacing the counter tops with quartz or some other solid surface. No decision has been made yet so I'm still interested in answers from the experts here.
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Your biggest issue will be if the new sink will cover the old hole and tighten down. Here are some pictures of various type hold downs and you need to tighten them against the underside of the counter top so if the sink is too much smaller than the cutout there will not be anything there to tighten against. Therefore it is a hard question to answer without actually seeing the existing cutout and being able to measure the new sink. https://www.google.ca/search?q=sink+...w=1920&bih=943

20 gauge is heavier than 22 but no guarantee that any of them will resist dropping a cast frying pan into them. I had a cheap $89 sink split once from pouring boiling hot water into it. Too many cycles of heat and cold stresses for it I guess.

Hooking the new one up to the old drain may require re-doing the drains. Height probably is not an issue as the connections that are there should have slip joints but the new sink may not be on the same centers as the old one. ABS is pretty easy to work with so that should not be a big deal.

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Making your own counter top out of particle board or mdf and counter top laminate will cost you around say $300 for an average size kitchen. If, in 10 or 15 years you tire of it, it will not cost you that much to replace it. When you spend the money buying quartz or Corian you won`t be replacing it any time soon. Be sure that is the way you want to go before you pull the trigger on that one.

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What is more important, assuming that you're not planning on replacing the old countertop, is the comparison of the size of the actual cutouts. A top mount sink that's 33 x 19 is going to have a smaller cutout. If you are measuring to the inside of the Hudee (sp?) rim, it sounds as if the hole in the countertop may be too large for a standard sink.

As far as durability, I'd think that the SS would be a little more forgiving of having a frying pan dropped in it - plus you can polish them to remove scratches if necessary, dents not so much. A 20 ga sink has .037" material, a 220 ga is .031" - if you're worried about durability, Kohler makes some nice sinks in 18 ga stainless 33" x 22" so it may have a cutout larger than the old sink - and 18 ga stainless at ,050" is considerable thicker - list price is $895. I have a 25 year old Kohler in the kitchen, and feel that the extra cost was well worth it. What a coincidence, my wife yesterday started a conversation with, "How hard is it to take out the old countertop?" - she also is looking at quartz, and I'm thinking that she'll consider the old sink too shabby to reuse with a shiny new top.

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...may require re-doing the drains.
I've installed two new garbage disposers in the 30 years we've been here so I've redone the drains twice. I don't think that will be a problem.

Just as an aside, we bought the house from an inexperienced tradesman who had done some atrocious work like epoxying a broken waste pipe under the sink to the T leading into the stack. I had to chisel that out. When I did that I found that the nipple had broken off and he apparently didn't know how to remove the jagged ring with a half-dozen threads on it that remained. I hit it once with a center punch and the ring broke out cleanly allowing me to thread in a new nipple.

He had also jury-rigged a trap system under the main bath vanity made of four plastic els GLUED so the whole thing had to come out as a single piece. I replaced that with a real P-trap and associated piping.
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Be sure that is the way you want to go before you pull the trigger on that one.
I hear that. We've been discussing this off and on for a few years so I think she's pretty well settled on what she wants.
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Pretty well covered already. I'd avoid porcelain like the plague!!!
SS is the perfect kitchen sink; look at any commercial kitchen...everything is SS. Pretty forgiving as far as chipping fine diningware; porcelain not so much.
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Commercial plumbing supply will have what you need and better..
way better than any Borg out there...
if you special order a good sink through a Borg that is where they will be going to get it......
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