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I`m replacing a cushioned lino floor with tile and using an uncoupling membrane and modified thinset underneath. Most of the on line stuff I`ve read and the manufacturer`s instructions say best is to remove the old lino. That part isn`t too bad but does the old glue need to come off too? Getting it off is proving to be a chore.

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I`m replacing a cushioned lino floor with tile and using an uncoupling membrane and modified thinset underneath. Most of the on line stuff I`ve read and the manufacturer`s instructions say best is to remove the old lino. That part isn`t too bad but does the old glue need to come off too? Getting it off is proving to be a chore.
I agree that the lino needs to go, but the glue is thin and shouldn't be causing you any trouble.

The thinset basically sits on whatever you put it on, and it should have sufficient bite. It won't bite on the lino.

Are you using the orange stuff (can't remember the name off hand...old timers again) for your membrane?

Check the expiry date on the thinset - yes it does have one. And it isn't very long. If you don't have a tile saw, I can lend you one if you like.

What kind of tile are you using and how big?

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It`s not the Ditra, it`s a similar product called Strata Mat by Laticrete out of Connecticut. White instead of orange. I have a tile saw, so much easier than scoring and snapping. The tiles are 13 inch square ceramic.
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I agree about not worrying about the glue. I would however highly recommend stapling down expanded metal lath! It turns thinset into reinforced concrete. Renailing/screwing down the existing flooring is absolutely essential prior to putting anything else down.
The expanded metal lath is available from either the tile wholesale or stucco supplier.

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It`s not the Ditra, it`s a similar product called Strata Mat by Laticrete out of Connecticut. White instead of orange. I have a tile saw, so much easier than scoring and snapping. The tiles are 13 inch square ceramic.
OK then, glad you have the tile saw. That way you won't have to wait months for me to get down your way!

Ceramic is dead easy to cut, whereas porcelain is another thing entirely.

Ditra was the name I couldn't remember...thanks.
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I agree about not worrying about the glue. I would however highly recommend stapling down expanded metal lath! It turns thinset into reinforced concrete. Renailing/screwing down the existing flooring is absolutely essential prior to putting anything else down.
The expanded metal lath is available from either the tile wholesale or stucco supplier.

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Dan, the lath isn't 100% perfect, but then very little is. What we don't know is what Chuck's substrate is made out of.

Could be plywood over framing, could be concrete, could be thin air for all I know. No, on second thought that's not too likely.

I note on the Tile Guys post that the failures mentioned were outside.

I tiled an outside deck on my place at Ruxton and used a thin lightweight board underneath it. At the time of my departure all was still good, and it had been down for several years. The deck in question was indeed outside, but the roof overhead offered reasonable protection.

I should see if I can find a pic...yet another one to look for.

I used the same board behind my tile in the shower as well. It was meant for damp locations.
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Substrate is OSB T&G. The uncoupling membrane is supposed to take the place of the tile backing board and that`s from either Ditra or Laticrete. The first thinset is a modified flexible type so that if there is slight movement the tiles don`t crack. The metal lath sounds too rigid for this application. I probably will drive a few screws in the old floor but I also glued it down with PL400 when I built it 30 or so years ago. It`s pretty solid. Instead of crossblocking I solid blocked all the cross joints so that isn`t an issue either.

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Substrate is OSB T&G. The uncoupling membrane is supposed to take the place of the tile backing board and that`s from either Ditra or Laticrete. The first thinset is a modified flexible type so that if there is slight movement the tiles don`t crack. The metal lath sounds too rigid for this application. I probably will drive a few screws in the old floor but I also glued it down with PL400 when I built it 30 or so years ago. It`s pretty solid. Instead of crossblocking I solid blocked all the cross joints so that isn`t an issue either.
If the OSB is still in good shape after 30 years, then you aren't going to have a problem, especially since you glued it down. Good luck with the tiling.
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Don't say I didn't warn you...
Any flexing will allow the grout to crack and fall apart. A tiler would be telling you that unless you put down another layer of 3/4" ply they won't warranty their work. Personally I think 3/4" is overkill, but you have to stiffen the floor substrate. OSB ain't gonna fly. Don't take my word for it; talk to the tile wholesale.
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