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over sanded the wood and closed the grain/pores...
220 for the initial sanding was too fine... he should have stopped at around 120/150 for the raw wood sanding...

after the staining to desired color/shade and 1st clear coat go w/ the progressive finer sandings between clear coat applications..
for deeper colors use gel stains..
I think I see part of the problem, rp said "I sanded 80/150/220, cleaned up with Mineral Spirits, put some nice conditioner on for a while ...". How long did you wait after wiping down with the mineral spirits, did you let it dry? How long did you wait after using the conditioner did you wait before adding the stain? If it was still wet with Mineral Spirits when you added the conditioner, the conditioner might have soaked in deeper. If you waited too long on the conditioner and let it dry a while then it sealed the wood more than usual.

Another thing that I see is the piece you are trying to match is made from different wood and stains look different on different woods.

At this point, I think I would try a gel stain or spray tint and build up the color then clear coat. It will be hard to match the piece you show but you might get close.

Remember, next time don't rush the finish because you want to see the project finished because you have put a lot of work into anything you make, and to finish it correctly you are going to put a lot more work into it for good results.
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I'm in agreement with @Stick486 , about sanding too fine and sealing the wood which prevents the stain from soaking in. I rarely sand bare wood finer than 150. I also think that the desired finish on the right is a sprayed on pigment stain, rather than a rubbed or painted on oil stain. Commercial furniture companies spray their products, and use pigmented stains to cover, yet still allow the grain to show. They have further tricks when the product combines two different woods to make one look like the other. You are going to need lots of experimenting on sample boards to come close to that finish. A small finishing type spray gun and test samples like suggested by Herb Stoops is going to be necessary to even come close to that final result. When I do samples, I write the steps on the back of each as I do each step, so I can duplicate it later. Don't forget to sand the samples to the same level that you have sanded your project before starting, but you might also try some samples sanded to 120-150 so you can see what Stick and I are saying about sanding too fine.

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All the above suggestions are good. You might try doing like Stick and others pointed out and on the sample of the same wood work up a sample sanded to 120, and no conditioner and see what that one looks like. Also Minwax has colored varnishes to apply over stained wood to darken them up. The 2 different woods are going to have to be treated differently to get the same results,not going to be easy. I wish you would have used oak plywood on the case.

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Here's a Suggestion for next time (unhelpful, I know) . Turn the staining and finishing over to the Missus.
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Here's a Suggestion for next time (unhelpful, I know) . Turn the staining and finishing over to the Missus.
best plan yet...
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Thanks folks for the quick reply @gdonham1 , @herb . Really appreciate it.

I still have to do the carcass (which is a maple plywood). For that, I am thinking that will try to recreate the exact steps I do with the currently stained pieces to get them to match (instead of starting from scratch with the 'new' stain I will be hopefully using). Is that a bad idea ?

Should I just start with the new stain directly?

Here is a picture to show how far apart I am. The piece on the left is where I am currently and on chest of drawers on the right is where I need to be.

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Consider paint for the win.
Ralph, I was thinking the same thing. Women don't care about wood grain, they care about color. That would be the fastest less time consuming solution. And cheaper too. Take the picture to the paint section and look at paint chips with your wife have her sign off on the color and then take it home and brush it on. Did you know that you can also thin Acrylic paint 1:1 with water for staining too? Micheal Dresdner the nationally known finishing expert does that.

https://www.hunker.com/12002790/how-...-acrylic-paint

https://www.prettypurpledoor.com/sta...nt-color-want/

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Thanks Stick..lesson learnt. !
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Thanks Stick..lesson learnt. !
yur welcome...

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