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I recently got the a. g. e. raised panel set to make some dinning room built ins, thinking that's all I needed, well as usual that's not always the case, my wife wants them to mirror our kitchen cabinets, does anyone know what is the bead molding that is mounted on the face of the cabinet is it a 1/4 bull nose molding? Also I believe that outside of the door is cut with a whiteside door edge bit but not sure on which size. Any help when be gladly appreciate.
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Euge the original I'm sure was made on a moulding machine which could make the entire profile at one time. Woodmaster makes a planer which can convert to a moulder and they might have a profile like that. If not they could make one but money IS an object.

Most profiles like that can be broken down into it's component parts and sections of it milled with separate bits. I did the same thing making some picture frames once and one profile had that bull nose on it. I had made a horizontal router set up to do it as coming in sideways was the only way to do it with a bull nose bit. You could do it with an ovolo bit which is a roundover with no bearing. Then you would make 2 passes, one from each side.

I can't tell for sure about the curve without seeing it on edge but maybe a bull nose with partial radius would work. I think Amana makes those but maybe others do too. That one was either made on a moulder or with a shaper I'm betting, because of the size of it.

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I have a simular style cabinets in the bathroom but they are stained cherry that came with the house, they appear to have the bead type molding attached to the face of the cabinet, because you can see little gaps separating from the door fronts in some areas, probably from years exposed in the bathroom environment. But it looks like it's added to the door.
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That's entirely possible. The fastest way to do it is with a moulder but that's takes more wood. Adding the moulding uses less wood but takes more time. You can do it on a router table (possibly depending on how deep the profile goes and how long your bits are) but you need to leave some untouched wood on either side of the profile to hold it up as you remove wood, then saw it to size when done. A horizontal and overhead router setups would allow you to see what you are doing.

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the thing is i'm still not 100% which bit makes the bead molding, i think its this one but do not have good reviews, if this is it, I would like to a better version of it, this one does not have the picture of the molding but the size or two up has a picture of the profile that resembles the ones on the cabinet, its the bottom one in the picture, I would just have to cut it and rip it off with a table saw. I just want to be sure so I don't get side track with another project.

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That is the right profile but to make it the wood has to be sideways to the bit. Some of the mainstream bit manufacturers have better pictures in their catalogs and the catalogs are available for download from the net. I keep Amana, CMT, and Freud catalogs on my computer for referring to in cases like this. The picture you show is the same as part of the profile you want, you just have to rotate it 90*.

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...have you a picture of the side of the profile...?

In the picture it looks like it's a flatter profile than a bead...

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I lucked out, today my wife made a executive decision, she would prefer the doors just the regular raised panel with the ogee with out the bead but maybe with the outer edge molding, but definitely doesn't want the bead, her thinking is it would look too much like like the kitchen cabinets, thanks for all of the input, I just hope she doesn't change her mind again,
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I lucked out, today my wife made a executive decision, she would prefer the doors just the regular raised panel with the ogee with out the bead but maybe with the outer edge molding, but definitely doesn't want the bead, her thinking is it would look too much like like the kitchen cabinets, thanks for all of the input, I just hope she doesn't change her mind again,
Good luck with that. As Nick alluded to, the edge, if it only curves near the face and is straight at the back edge is probably not a router bit profile. As I mentioned, there are bull nose router bits which are part instead of full radius, but the curve would be from the middle of the edge both ways. So if that isn't a deal breaker then come up with a simpler design.

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