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For a small shop with a light duty dust collection unit, having a chip collector can really help. I found a 20 gallon unit on Amazon with a metal ring to lock the lid in place (pretty much a must). Eagle 1654 Yellow Blow-Molded HDPE Salvage Drum with Metal Ring Lever-Lock Lid, 20 gallon Capacity, 21" Height, 21" Diameter. I think I'd add a metal plate on top to reinforce the mounting of the input and output pipes.

https://www.amazon.com/Eagle-1654-Bl...57YGFTPZEBC2S4

I have 30 gallon fiber drums, which might be overkill for a smaller DC system.
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I use a 30 gal (abt) plastic drum with the lid cut out and a lid made of 2 layers of 3/4" plywood then vent outside, works great. I like the drum you are using, I probably would have used something like that if I could have found something like that around here, but since I could't I used what I could find.

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I bought this one to mate with my DC (I have the Rockler separator hooked up to the shop vac) https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1, but looks like the one you found would be easier to work with, plus take up less space and so be easier to combine with the DC. The problem with this one is the stiffening ribs in the top, they interfere with installing the fittings. My current solution is to make a disc that fits in the top recess and then drill holes in the top and disc, with a larger hole in the top to clear the flange on the fitting. I've been struggling with a way to seal the disc to the top, basically nothing sticks to it so thinking that the way to go is to buy a roll of the sticky-back weatherstripping, stick it to the u/s of the disc and bolt the disc to the top. I made the disc out of a scrap of underlayment plywood, but feel that may be too thin and that I need to get something a little thicker. Or, I could use this for something else - the lid is nicely gasketed to the body so I could store my packing quilts in there, out of the way in the shed - and buy one like you suggested.
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@tomp913 I tried for some time to cobble something together with trash barrels, and gave it up. I ordered a couple of 30 gallon fiber drums from ULine, which are still in use, and they had flat, metal tops and locking rings. That made the Rockler fixtures easy to install. Only thing I didn't do was cut an opening with a glass plug so I could check sawdust level without dismandling the thing.

Only thing I don't like about the fiber drum setup is emptying it. Sawdust flies everywhere if I dump it into a trash barrel. So I have to stretch a big trash bag over it and slowly invert the drum while holding the bag tight around it. There's a lot less mess that way.

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Tom; won't the trash bag fit into the drum? All janitorial supply houses (not to mention COSTCO) sell drum liners, as well as the contractor's bags.
Ultrasac 55 Gal. Drum Liner Trash Bags (50 Count)-HMD 792695 - The Home Depot

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https://www.amazon.ca/Kirkland-Closu.../dp/B004YPMXGG


2mil would be the minimum desirable thickness I would think? 1.4mil sounds a little skimpy?

These Contractor bags are a little smaller but they come in at 3mil...
https://www.amazon.ca/HK42WC020B-42-...r+garbage+bags
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Seems to me that there's a problem with the liner bag getting sucked into the collector, read about having to deal with that. Sound familiar?
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Seems to me that there's a problem with the liner bag getting sucked into the collector, read about having to deal with that. Sound familiar?
Makes sense; I was kind of wondering about that. Woudn't be a problem on the outflow of the DC but on the chip tank, mmmm...

By the way, there was a recent discussion on DC and hose fittings. A big issue is knowing ahead what'll fit (or not).
These guys give accurate sizing for all their fittings.
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It's a Canadian company, but maybe they have a US branch?
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Tom, I've also been thinking about a chip separator for my new HF DC. I also have a 30 gallon fiber drum that I used with my old DC system.

Here's the options I'm considering:

1) Build a Thien baffle for the 30 gallon drum, or a garbage can. I'd probably cut a new lid from ply. I think with the baffle, the flow loss wouldn't be too bad. Here's a fairly simple design:


This one needs a simpler way to empty the garbage can. I think my 30 gal drum is too high for this, without making new supports for the HF bag assembly.

2) Get a Super Dust Deputy and add it to a bucket like you found. Here's an interesting spin on this, but no portability:


There's a lot of options and youtube videos out there. I'm leaning towards something like option 1.

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You could use a liner. Someone posted their solution to the suction problem, making a "cage" of 2 by 4 opening wire fence that sits inside the liner. The wire is close to 1/8th thick so it will resist the suction, but open enough so it's easy to remove from a liner with lots of sawdust inside.

This is not a problem with the HF type unit since it is a form of cyclone, but without a cone. If you look at the pictures, you see that the blower sucks in sawdust and spins it around a flat cyclone structure, so the sawdust falls out while mostly air goes out the filter, which takes out most of the ultra fine dust. The overhead filter (I bought the WEN on Amazon), gets nearly all of the rest if you run it an hour or two after you finish.

The real villain on dust production is the miter saw! My solution has helped greatly. I built a U shaped hanger of 1 inch rod and hung a clear shower curtain from it that surrounds the back of the saw and the table it sits on. The curtain is gathered at the bottom into a box, but I will soon re-do that so it gathers into a 6 inch to 4 inch adapter with a hose running to a fixture to which the DC system easily attaches. See photo. (sorry its rotated, have no idea how to correct that.)

I just received an over arm dust hood for the table saw. The Laguna Fusion saw is great at pulling sawdust down, especially with the new DC unit. But it still spits out some from the top of the blade. Raising the blade so most of the gullet is exposed has helped, as has switching to full kerf blades (for the most part). I haven't set the new unit up yet, but I will appreciate not having my shirts covered in sawdust every time I make a cut. I have to order a few items to make the overarm unit work and then work out how to attach it to the saw. I'll probably post something about it.

The bottom line for me is that I am no longer coughing up sawdust. And as I ongoingly clean out the corners of my shop, I notice far less sawdust being redeposited now. But I still wear at least a surgical style mask or a powered respirator when I'm working in there. Overkill? Nope, not to me, maybe it is really unde-kill, since I'm the one who wants to stick around another decade or two.

I have battled sawdust for a long time, and up to now, the sawdust has been winning.
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You've put a lot of useful information in this thread, Tom. I didn't buy the 2 hp dust collector at HF because with my old wiring, I thought I might have too much current usage by using it alongside my machines. i bought the smaller unit while it was on sale. So I'll have some rigging to do.

Thanks for the link for the salvage drum. Although right now I'm not looking at chip collection, there is another project I have in mind that the salvage drum would be perfect for. And this is much less expensive than what I had found thus far. I'm not going to say much about the new project, because it may well turn out to be a stupid idea (my main talent). But I'm wondering if anyone has seen a drain valve that can be installed on a curved barrel wall like on this salvage drum. I might also be able to go through the bottom if your barrel has a flat bottom surface instead of the ribbing that the lid has. Thanks for all the info.

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