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Hello all

I'm an amateur woodworker, work out of my garage in New York and new to this forum so in the way of introduction I'll say a little more about myself. My shop is fairly well equipped (table saw, router table, planer, drill press, midi-lathe, various hand tools). I've worked on a variety of small woodworking projects, but also have built some raised panel kitchen cabinets that I am pretty proud of as they turned out quite well.

On to my problem. I'm just getting started on a new kitchen cabinet project and bought a new 3 1/4 hp Freud router for my new router table. I wanted to do some dry runs with the new router and have had a heck of a time removing bits once installed. This is the case with either the 1/4" or 1/2" collet. Now I have the bit for making the rails for my cabinet doors installed and it is impossible to remove. I have even slightly damaged the bit in the process which has me pretty upset to say the least. I know we all know how costly these bits are.

I am looking for some suggestions on not only how to remove the bit, but potentially also how to remedy the problem. I have written to Freud, but haven't heard back yet so I thought I would try other resources.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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I have the Freud FT2000 router and have had no trouble removing the bits. I wonder if you have correctly released the bit. When you first loosen the bit the nut will turn two or three turns very easily then it will require the wrench again to continue to loosen the collet. Once the second wrench point is free the bit should slide out.

If it doesn't continue to loosen the nut until the whole collet comes free. You can then remove the bit and the collet from the router. While holding the collet you can tap the end of the bit shank with a punch and the bit will come out. Only once did I have to use this technique (for a bit with a dirty shank) Hope this helps
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Angelo welcome to the router forum

I'm not an expert with the routers but if you bottom the bit against the shaft and then tighten the collet, the bit will get stack there.

I normally sit the bit against the shaft (bottom it out) and then raise it about 1/2" and then tighten the collet.

I'm sure some other members will help you more

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Greetings Angelo and welcome to the forum. Sounds like good advice from both fellas. Hope you next post says it is free. The advice Chuck give is good, I have had that some problem.

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Angelo,

I agree with Nicolas.

I believe a rep from Freud checks here often. Hope Chucks suggestion helps you. Bummer you damanged your bit.



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HI Angelo

Here's a easy fix ,,just put a rubber grommet in the collet hole under the bit,, it will act just like a spring so to speak..plus it will have a place for the bit to stop in the same place every time...you will not need to pull the bit back up by a 1/8" of so...many of the collets have a clip on them that lift the inside ring of the collet by defalt ,Freud,PC, for just two of the better ones that have this for a nice touch..

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Hello all

I'm an amateur woodworker, work out of my garage in New York and new to this forum so in the way of introduction I'll say a little more about myself. My shop is fairly well equipped (table saw, router table, planer, drill press, midi-lathe, various hand tools). I've worked on a variety of small woodworking projects, but also have built some raised panel kitchen cabinets that I am pretty proud of as they turned out quite well.

On to my problem. I'm just getting started on a new kitchen cabinet project and bought a new 3 1/4 hp Freud router for my new router table. I wanted to do some dry runs with the new router and have had a heck of a time removing bits once installed. This is the case with either the 1/4" or 1/2" collet. Now I have the bit for making the rails for my cabinet doors installed and it is impossible to remove. I have even slightly damaged the bit in the process which has me pretty upset to say the least. I know we all know how costly these bits are.

I am looking for some suggestions on not only how to remove the bit, but potentially also how to remedy the problem. I have written to Freud, but haven't heard back yet so I thought I would try other resources.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Jerry, guess we posted at the same time. How is the workshop coming along?



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Welcome to the forums Angelo.




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HI Angelo

Here's a easy fix ,,just put a rubber grommet in the collet hole under the bit,, it will act just like a spring so to speak..plus it will have a place for the bit to stop in the same place every time...you will not need to pull the bit back up by a 1/8" of so...many of the collets have a clip on them that lift the inside ring of the collet by defalt ,Freud,PC, for just two of the better ones that have this for a nice touch..

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Bob, he is using a Freud, does that mean his bits can't bottom out? I had the same problem as Angelo today. I had a bit sitting in the router for week or more. I usually pull back about 1/8". I loosen the collet and it would not loosen. First thought was maybe from leaving it in so long, then I remember reading this post. Sure enough, a few more turns of wrench and it loosen up. I have a new Craftsman, wondering if this is possibly a safety future, the nut loosen but has to be turn with wrench further.



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Apparently you didn't read the manual for your router. Here is a note from the manual for my Craftsman router:

NOTE: The collet/nut is self-releasing; it is not necessary to strike the collet/nut to free the router cutting bit. If the cutting bit seems stuck after use, loosen the collet/nut a little more until it releases.

Not all routers will have this feature, but most new ones will. I read the manual from cover to cover on every new tool. If you don't have a manual, find one. The sharpest tool in your shop should be your mind. The shortest route to injury (Yours or someone Else's) is not understanding how to operate the tool(s) you are using.

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