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Hi, hello to everyone, I live in Italy, I am looking for a good quality vertical milling machine, the problem is that I have a limited budget, about 100 - 120 €, I have to flatten a top of a table, so I need it quite powerful, 1200 watts I think they are sufficient, I have identified the "Bosch Home and Garden 060326A100 POF 1200 AE Milling machine, 1200 W, 230 V", but I am not convinced, they say that the accessories supplied and the depth adjustment system are of low quality, obviously I know the Makita , dewalt, CMT, festool, are excellent products but cost too much, with the budget I have, is there a good quality milling machine ?
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Hello N/A...

by a good quality vertical milling machine do you mean a Router???



how much flattening do you need to do and how large is this table???

a ski might be your solution...
here is one example, there are many variations, see the PDF...

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Hello N/A...

by a good quality vertical milling machine do you mean a Router???



how much flattening do you need to do and how large is this table???

a ski might be your solution...
here is one example, there are many variations, see the PDF...

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Hi, thank you very much for replying, yes exactly, I mean a router like the one you showed me, the problem is that I have a low budget, which router do you recommend ?

As a cutter I wanted to use the CMT 901.190.11

The Top to be flattened measures 209 x 60 cm, for the sled I wanted I had something like this in mind:
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I used a sled very similar to that one to level the top of a workbench I laminated together so no problem there. The Bosch is rated among the best here and I can't remember anyone complaining about the height adjustment system on it. I have 3 Hitachi routers and like them all. I don't know what effect, if any, that Hitachi's recent merger with Metabo has had on their tools. The Hitachi VC model is the same size as the 1200 watt Bosch.

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I used a sled very similar to that one to level the top of a workbench I laminated together so no problem there. The Bosch is rated among the best here and I can't remember anyone complaining about the height adjustment system on it. I have 3 Hitachi routers and like them all. I don't know what effect, if any, that Hitachi's recent merger with Metabo has had on their tools. The Hitachi VC model is the same size as the 1200 watt Bosch.
Hi, thank you for the advice, I am referring to the Bosch Home and Garden 060326A100 POF 1200 AE Milling machine, 1200 W, 230 V, the green model, with 100 - 120 euros are there any better routers ?

What exactly is your Hitachi model? and the M12V2 ?

What kind of laminate did you use? ant, hpl sheets 0,5 mm ? Mine is a desk, if you know some reliable shop that ships to Italy let me know.
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I have an M12V. M12V2, and a fixed base M12VC. I use the M12V2 in my router table because it has above table adjusting capability built into it. I used the M12V before it but it does not have that feature. Both those routers are around 1800 watts I think (15 amps on our 120 volt electrical system). I bought the M12VC in fixed base since I didn't need another plunge and it is a joy to use where a plunge isn't needed. A fixed base has a lower center of gravity which tends to make it easier to use for edge profiling. The M12VC is around 1200 watts and is the same as the Bosch 1617 over here in comparable size. Some router models are different from here to other countries because of the difference in our power systems. Our standard is 120 volt and 15 amps single pole and 60 cycle. Most other countries use a 7.5 amp 230 volt single pole system running at 50 cycles. A few makers use the same model numbers for both systems and the rest use a different model number to avoid confusion. I don't know for sure if that Bosch model you are looking at is the same as our 1617 but it is the same in terms of power input. A check against the parts lists for each would tell you how similar they are. Parts like bearings and router casing (body) would be the same. The only parts that should be different are electrical parts like the armature and field coils. They would be made to be compatible with your electrical system.

As far as a suitable material for a router table I would say that the desk you show should work fine. Even melamine coated particle board (the common material for Euro kitchen cabinets) works well. It just doesn't wear as well or for as long as high pressure laminate does.
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I have an M12V. M12V2, and a fixed base M12VC. I use the M12V2 in my router table because it has above table adjusting capability built into it. I used the M12V before it but it does not have that feature. Both those routers are around 1800 watts I think (15 amps on our 120 volt electrical system). I bought the M12VC in fixed base since I didn't need another plunge and it is a joy to use where a plunge isn't needed. A fixed base has a lower center of gravity which tends to make it easier to use for edge profiling. The M12VC is around 1200 watts and is the same as the Bosch 1617 over here in comparable size. Some router models are different from here to other countries because of the difference in our power systems. Our standard is 120 volt and 15 amps single pole and 60 cycle. Most other countries use a 7.5 amp 230 volt single pole system running at 50 cycles. A few makers use the same model numbers for both systems and the rest use a different model number to avoid confusion. I don't know for sure if that Bosch model you are looking at is the same as our 1617 but it is the same in terms of power input. A check against the parts lists for each would tell you how similar they are. Parts like bearings and router casing (body) would be the same. The only parts that should be different are electrical parts like the armature and field coils. They would be made to be compatible with your electrical system.

As far as a suitable material for a router table I would say that the desk you show should work fine. Even melamine coated particle board (the common material for Euro kitchen cabinets) works well. It just doesn't wear as well or for as long as high pressure laminate does.
Thanks for the explanations, I don't know if the bosch is equal to 1617, these are the technical data:

Technical data for POF 1200 AE
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Nominal absorption
1,200 W
Power supplied
650 W
Tool holder (supplied)
6 mm
Tool holder (supplied)
8 mm
Tool holder (supplied)
1/4 "
No load speed
11,000 - 28,000 rpm
Max cutter stroke
55 mm
Weight
3,4 kg

With the budget I have, I have no alternatives, do I ? I like Makitas but they cost too much.

The top of the desk is in fir, therefore a soft wood, on the top I wanted to glue the laminate, did you recommend melamine, are there melamine sheets to be glued ?

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I got my Dewalt plunge router on eBay fairly cheap. Sometimes you can find really good deals if you’re patient.
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I got my Dewalt plunge router on eBay fairly cheap. Sometimes you can find really good deals if you’re patient.

Thank you, the Dewalt are excellent, it can be a good solution, but as you told me it takes a long time, with the used it is a risk, I have no guarantees, I took a look on ebay, there is something in the uk but they are quite expensive even if used, there are models for sale in the united states but the shipping to italy is too high, the einhell tc-ro 1155 is very cheap but at this point the bosch of the einhell is better
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Thank you, the Dewalt are excellent, it can be a good solution, but as you told me it takes a long time, with the used it is a risk, I have no guarantees, I took a look on ebay, there is something in the uk but they are quite expensive even if used, there are models for sale in the united states but the shipping to italy is too high, the einhell tc-ro 1155 is very cheap but at this point the bosch of the einhell is better
I see. I got my Dewalt dw616 for $129. It has been a great tool. Well, good luck with your searching. I’d say the Bosch is the way to go. They are good quality machines.
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