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post #1 of 12 (permalink) Old 12-31-2009, 11:26 AM Thread Starter
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I purchased a Ryobi plunge router yesterday for a few projects, and used it last night. After reading about the router online, and experiencing problems on day 1, I plan on returning it this weekend.

The specific problems I ran into are:

1. It threw 2 1/2 inch collet bits at me.
2. The plunge motion was sticky out of the box.
3. It's not centered in it's base.
4. The '1/4' inch collet is just a 1/2 inch adapter.

2 and 3 could be dealt with and may be acceptable out of a $100 router, but both at once is just completely unacceptable. Point 1 is a show-stopper. I've borrowed plunge routers in the past (cheap and nice), and never once had a bit slip out of the collet/the collet loosen. I read the manual, am 100% certain it was tight and set-up correctly.

I have the ryobi table router kit and am quite happy with it and the results I get from it. I needed a plunge router for a few projects:

1. Tap Handle Holder (Done)
2. Speaker Mounting Circles (Jasper Jig already in possession)
3. Sign Making for Disc Golf Course

I also plan on, down the road, making a proper router bench and either moving the Ryobi router into it, or using whatever I get next and have 2 router tables so I can do tongues on one and grooves on the other, etc.

I almost got the Bosch kit at Lowe's, but at the time (last night), it was out of stock, so I went the 'cheap' route. Is the Bosch Kit well regarded in the hobbyist market?

More about me:

I'm new to woodworking, having only started last summer (18 months ago) building benches for a disc golf course. It has quickly grown from a passion to an obsession. I built a cedar chest for my girl for Christmas, as well as a small (6"x6"x5") pirate chest for her son for Halloween. I have aspirations of building a dvd rack and a wine rack in the coming weeks, as well as some bench/chest combos. I already have a good saw (Craftsman 10" Radial), decent table router, good array of router bits, drill, million clamps, etc. I only recently found out about the true versatility of routers, and wish I had just gotten a good plunge router at first, and built a table then.

Any insight would be much appreciated.
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I purchased a Ryobi plunge router yesterday for a few projects, and used it last night. After reading about the router online, and experiencing problems on day 1, I plan on returning it this weekend.

The specific problems I ran into are:

1. It threw 2 1/2 inch collet bits at me.
2. The plunge motion was sticky out of the box.
3. It's not centered in it's base.
4. The '1/4' inch collet is just a 1/2 inch adapter.

2 and 3 could be dealt with and may be acceptable out of a $100 router, but both at once is just completely unacceptable. Point 1 is a show-stopper. I've borrowed plunge routers in the past (cheap and nice), and never once had a bit slip out of the collet/the collet loosen. I read the manual, am 100% certain it was tight and set-up correctly.

I have the ryobi table router kit and am quite happy with it and the results I get from it. I needed a plunge router for a few projects:

1. Tap Handle Holder (Done)
2. Speaker Mounting Circles (Jasper Jig already in possession)
3. Sign Making for Disc Golf Course

I also plan on, down the road, making a proper router bench and either moving the Ryobi router into it, or using whatever I get next and have 2 router tables so I can do tongues on one and grooves on the other, etc.

I almost got the Bosch kit at Lowe's, but at the time (last night), it was out of stock, so I went the 'cheap' route. Is the Bosch Kit well regarded in the hobbyist market?

Any insight would be much appreciated.
Hi Pat - Welcome to the forum.
I agree, bits flying around can certainly ruin a whole day. Are you sure they weren't to deep in the collet?
Also, I have read some previous posts about the bit not being centered in the base that is a design issue and not really fixable. Can be a real issue down the road with bushings and jigs also. I don't recall if that is the model or not. Someone that had the problem will likely jump in here and elaborate though.
The $100 range will get you some pretty decent plunge routers and even some kits. I'm not personally a big fan of Craftsman but several members have scored on the new Craftsman kits and like them very much. Before Xmas they were on sale for about $80 but I think the regular price is around $120.
I'm also not a big Ryobi fan but I seem to be accumulating more and more of their stuff. Just got their benchtop drill press for Xmas and was pretty impressed given the price point.

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Return it. Go for either a PC or Bosch. Both have good reputations, both are also very popular. You may even wish to consider the new Triton as well.

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[QUOTE=paerley;154396]I purchased a Ryobi plunge router yesterday for a few projects, and used it last night. After reading about the router online, and experiencing problems on day 1, I plan on returning it this weekend.

The specific problems I ran into are:

1. It threw 2 1/2 inch collet bits at me.
Mine did the same thing. Ryobi PL180..I had the bit to far down..


2. The plunge motion was sticky out of the box.
Me too..took it apart and used graphite to lube it..


3. It's not centered in it's base.
That's a problem..take it back.

4. The '1/4' inch collet is just a 1/2 inch adapter.
Yea, that's the way they make em..

If you ever plan on using the Ryobi Table for another router your table will have to be modified..There made to be dedicated Ryobi specific..

Just my experiences with the Ryobi..I still like em though..some people swear by em and others swear at em..

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A Ryobi RE600 (3+ hp plunger) was my first router (circa early 90's). It sat in the box for most of the first 15 years of its life but went into steady service starting when I joined this forum. I used it for routing through my 1-1/2" RT to mount 2 different router plates as well as other miscellaneous cuts and it still performs well (albeit heavy).

It also came with collet adapters, for 1/2" ==> 1/4" and 1/2" ==> 3/8". Early on I read to align (as possible) the contraction splits in the adapter with the splits in the collet to increase gripping pressure and reduce the force lost due to friction between the two. I've used it numerous times and its worked well.

As to the collet not tightly gripping the 1/2" shank bit, I'd like to +1 and earlier post on being certain not to bottom out the bit in the collet. I've attached a Marc Sommerfeld PDF explaining how that can prevent the collet from getting a good grip on the bit.
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Thank you all for the tips!

I'm 100% certain that I had not bottomed out the bits. I read and learned early on why not to do that in the use of my table router (which I originally bottomed out bits in, thinking that was the 'correct' way). My current set up procedure includes putting a rubber ring on the bit, bottoming out the bit, rolling the ring to indicate the 'full depth', removing the bit, adjusting the ring down 1/8th an inch, then re-inserting the bit, using the o-ring as a stopper. I had not thought of sticking an 1/8th inch thick grommet into the collet (which I've seen here, now), but will add that to the procedures.

I will run some test routes tonight, to test if it was something I was doing, but I suspect I got a defective router of some sort. If so, I'll return it for store credit at the Depot and then step up to a Ridgid or a Porter Cable (depending on availability, and price).
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Return it. Go for either a PC or Bosch. Both have good reputations, both are also very popular. You may even wish to consider the new Triton as well.
Get a Bosch. Quality on the 890 series isn't what it was on the 690 (For example, while ostensibly in the same pattern the mounting screw tolerances have slipped so there's binding when using 690 sub-bases with counter sunk screws. Instead of fixing that issue so that sub-bases would correctly self-center on installation, PC made 890 sub-bases with over-sized counter bored screw holes that attach with pan-head screws).
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Did some more routing, threw another bit, so swapped the router at Home Depot (for the same one). The new one is centered (tested with Jasper Jig) and has not thrown any bits. I'm much happier with it. Will probably get a better one sooner or later, but right now, this works.
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Did you fixed the problem?
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Did you fixed the problem?
I replaced the router with an identical one, but the new one didn't have any of the problems the original had.
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