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Hello everybody. I've recently gotten the wonderful addiction we call "woodworking", but now I need some help.

I decided to build a shoe rack for my room. Basically, it's a box (roughly 33x33) with 2 horizontal shelves and 2 vertical shelves (not really sure what to call those) leaving a total of 9 spaces for shoes.

I have a little nightstand that I built with through dovetail joints. I painted the top black and the sides white, and I liked the way the dovetails stood out so I decided to build the shoe rack in a similar manner.

Through dovetails for the corners, sliding dovetails for all the shelves.

Here's where I got hung up.
I made the dado cuts in all the side/top pieces. Then when trying to measure for the dadoes in the shelves, something went terribly wrong and they are all a solid 1/4 to 1/2" off from the originals on the side/top pieces. I'm using a pc 4212 jig to make the cuts.

I feel like there's a very easy way to measure that properly and I'm just overlooking it or something. So after sitting and staring at it for a while, I was wondering if anybody could give me tips on that. It would be so greatly appreciated. Please excuse the rookie question. I'll probably end up slapping myself in the face.
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Hello everybody. I've recently gotten the wonderful addiction we call "woodworking", but now I need some help.

I decided to build a shoe rack for my room. Basically, it's a box (roughly 33x33) with 2 horizontal shelves and 2 vertical shelves (not really sure what to call those) leaving a total of 9 spaces for shoes.

I have a little nightstand that I built with through dovetail joints. I painted the top black and the sides white, and I liked the way the dovetails stood out so I decided to build the shoe rack in a similar manner.

Through dovetails for the corners, sliding dovetails for all the shelves.

Here's where I got hung up.
I made the dado cuts in all the side/top pieces. Then when trying to measure for the dadoes in the shelves, something went terribly wrong and they are all a solid 1/4 to 1/2" off from the originals on the side/top pieces. I'm using a pc 4212 jig to make the cuts.

I feel like there's a very easy way to measure that properly and I'm just overlooking it or something. So after sitting and staring at it for a while, I was wondering if anybody could give me tips on that. It would be so greatly appreciated. Please excuse the rookie question. I'll probably end up slapping myself in the face.
Hi Tyler, Welcome to the forum
I guess I am a little confused as to what you are getting at here. Seems like the corner joints are a seperate issue from the sliding dovetails. Unless you are trying to match the corner dovetails to the sliding ones In either case, which jig you made the corners with would be only be rellevant to the position of the sliding ones in terms of allowable frequency... I think I just confused myself more trying to explain my confusion

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I guess I am a little confused as to what you are getting at here. Seems like the corner joints are a seperate issue from the sliding dovetails. Unless you are trying to match the corner dovetails to the sliding ones In either case, which jig you made the corners with would be only be rellevant to the position of the sliding ones in terms of allowable frequency... I think I just confused myself more trying to explain my confusion
Haha I knew I should've chosen better words!

Okay so the project went roughly like this:
Dovetailed corner joints ->
cut sliding dovetails for shelves (horizontal). these are straight and aligned. ->
now I'm trying to cut sliding dovetails in the shelves for the vertical dividers and they were way off.

I had the box assembled, measured from the inside to the line I used to align the board in the jig. Let's say it's 10". So I measure out 10" on the shelf, cut the dovetail, and it's like half an inch off. Even though I used the same line as the piece I measured from.

Ah the more I think about it, the more it confuses me! I think that the measurement was probably not 10" even and my markings just didn't match up enough. But I'm trying to figure out a way to ensure that doesn't happen again.

And thanks for the warm welcome! I've been and will be lurking, don't quite have the knowledge to chip in yet though.
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Haha I knew I should've chosen better words!

Okay so the project went roughly like this:
Dovetailed corner joints ->
cut sliding dovetails for shelves (horizontal). these are straight and aligned. ->
now I'm trying to cut sliding dovetails in the shelves for the vertical dividers and they were way off.

I had the box assembled, measured from the inside to the line I used to align the board in the jig. Let's say it's 10". So I measure out 10" on the shelf, cut the dovetail, and it's like half an inch off. Even though I used the same line as the piece I measured from.

Ah the more I think about it, the more it confuses me! I think that the measurement was probably not 10" even and my markings just didn't match up enough. But I'm trying to figure out a way to ensure that doesn't happen again.

And thanks for the warm welcome! I've been and will be lurking, don't quite have the knowledge to chip in yet though.
Hi Tyler - that helps some

Did you account for the depth of cut of the divider dovetails?

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Hi Tyler

Maybe shoot some photos, which can tell the millions words...........
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Hi Tyler - that helps some

Did you account for the depth of cut of the divider dovetails?
Yes, I measured from the inside of the box when it was assembled.
I got another 1x12 today, so I'll either be trying again later today or tomorrow.
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