Are these the right tools? - Router Forums
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 31 (permalink) Old 10-09-2010, 02:21 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Country: United States
First Name: Ken
Posts: 23
 
Default Are these the right tools?

Hi everyone,

I'm very new to this work but bound and determined to get good at it. I build guitar amplifiers and want to build cabinets for them too. What I have in mind is something like this:



. . a rounded over box joint (right?).

I'll be buying the tools needed this coming week. Looking around I found a "Factory-Reconditioned Skil 1825-RT 2-1/4-Horsepower 2-Inch Router Combo Kit with Site Light" for $70. It comes with both fixed and plunge attachments.

I also found a "12" DOVETAIL ROUTER JIG/ JOINT DOVE TAIL MACHINE" for $50 on Ebay. Don't know the brand but the pictures make it look like all the brand name ones I see out there.

Some bushings, etc. will probably also be needed, but this is where my noobness takes over; I don't have a clue.

I would really appreciate any information. Are these the tools I should be looking at?

Thanks,
Ken
sepulchre is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 31 (permalink) Old 10-12-2010, 02:23 PM
Registered User
 
RJM60's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Country: United States
First Name: Robert
Posts: 655
 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sepulchre View Post
Hi everyone,

I'm very new to this work but bound and determined to get good at it. I build guitar amplifiers and want to build cabinets for them too. What I have in mind is something like this:



. . a rounded over box joint (right?).

I'll be buying the tools needed this coming week. Looking around I found a "Factory-Reconditioned Skil 1825-RT 2-1/4-Horsepower 2-Inch Router Combo Kit with Site Light" for $70. It comes with both fixed and plunge attachments.

I also found a "12" DOVETAIL ROUTER JIG/ JOINT DOVE TAIL MACHINE" for $50 on Ebay. Don't know the brand but the pictures make it look like all the brand name ones I see out there.

Some bushings, etc. will probably also be needed, but this is where my noobness takes over; I don't have a clue.

I would really appreciate any information. Are these the tools I should be looking at?

Thanks,
Ken
Can you upload the picture? I don't see it (website may be blocked).

“The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place.”
George Bernard Shaw

Robert
Redondo Beach, CA
RJM60 is offline  
post #3 of 31 (permalink) Old 10-12-2010, 02:34 PM
Forum Contributor
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Country: United States
First Name: Bj
Posts: 23,786
       
Default

Hi Ken

This is the one most buy off ebay .
Dovetail Machine

But I would suggest you get the box joint jig ,see below ,you will be glad you did that's if you have a router table but if not you are stuck with the one you got off ebay..
The night mare dovetail jig..that can also be use for box joints.

Oak Park Enterprises Ltd.: Catalogue

========
Quote:
Originally Posted by sepulchre View Post
Hi everyone,

I'm very new to this work but bound and determined to get good at it. I build guitar amplifiers and want to build cabinets for them too. What I have in mind is something like this:



. . a rounded over box joint (right?).

I'll be buying the tools needed this coming week. Looking around I found a "Factory-Reconditioned Skil 1825-RT 2-1/4-Horsepower 2-Inch Router Combo Kit with Site Light" for $70. It comes with both fixed and plunge attachments.

I also found a "12" DOVETAIL ROUTER JIG/ JOINT DOVE TAIL MACHINE" for $50 on Ebay. Don't know the brand but the pictures make it look like all the brand name ones I see out there.

Some bushings, etc. will probably also be needed, but this is where my noobness takes over; I don't have a clue.

I would really appreciate any information. Are these the tools I should be looking at?

Thanks,
Ken



"It's fine to disagree with other members as long as you respect their opinions"

Marc Sommerfeld Tools ,Videos
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCT-n...RWaEpMA/videos

Find all threads started by bobj3
http://www.routerforums.com/search.php?searchid=944097


bobj3 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 31 (permalink) Old 10-12-2010, 10:49 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Country: United States
First Name: Ken
Posts: 23
 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bobj3 View Post
... if not you are stuck with the one you got off ebay..
The night mare dovetail jig..that can also be use for box joints.
========
Hmm. "Night mare dovetail jig" doesn't sound very inviting. I was kind of planning on getting a table eventually anyway. So you're suggesting that I get a table rather than a dovetail jig? The ads and videos I've seen make them look pretty easy to use, but I'm Way too noob to see through the hype. Or is it just that particular model that's a night mare?
Thanks for the info. I'm going to look at the videos - I'm sure to learn from them.

@ RJM60: The picture is posted on photobucket. I can see it but I don't know if anyone else can. Maybe I haven't made enough posts yet. I'll try it again here:



I don't know of a way to actually upload a picture to the forum, so I hope this works.
Btw, closer examination had revealed it to be a rounded over dovetail joint. but it gets the idea across.
sepulchre is offline  
post #5 of 31 (permalink) Old 10-13-2010, 11:04 AM
Registered User
 
Ralph Barker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Country: United States
First Name: Ralph
Posts: 2,001
 
Default choosing a method

There are several methods commonly used for making box joints, including on the table saw, on a router table, or with a dovetail/box-joint jig. With the latter, the spacing of the "fingers" on the template requires a guide bushing and bit of a size appropriate for the jig. Note, however, that not all jigs are created equal.

In your application, another consideration is the size of the amplifier cabinet components. Large components can be a little unwieldy on a table saw or router table, since the cuts are being made with the component on end. Any wobble will likely result in a loose fit, or worse. Because of that, my personal opinion would be that a bench-mounted jig might be easier for you to use.

If you decide to go that route, I'd suggest investing in one of the better jigs that will also do through dovetails - either a Porter Cable 4200 series, or one of the Leigh jigs. If you do a lot of these, the PC OmniJig might even be appropriate. I think the higher price of the better jigs will pay you back in ease of use, versatility, and better-fitting joints in the long run.

- Ralph
Ralph Barker is offline  
post #6 of 31 (permalink) Old 10-13-2010, 10:50 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Country: United States
First Name: Ken
Posts: 23
 
Default

First, I thank you all for your replies and advice. I'm shooting in the dark without it.
I think I found a deal on Craig's list - a Craftsman 1 3/4 HP router with table and bits for $45. At this point I really can't afford a more expensive jig. The largest pieces for my amp cabinet are 10" X 18". So I'm hoping that the table will work, or that an inexpensive jig will do. I will not be doing a lot of these for the time being (though I hope to in the future) so I must be practical with my investment. If / when I do start selling these amps I will look into better equipment.

@RJM60: Oops! Wrong picture. Here's what I meant to post:



Thanks again everyone,
Ken
sepulchre is offline  
post #7 of 31 (permalink) Old 10-13-2010, 11:28 PM
Retired Moderator
 
Mike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Country: United States
First Name: Mike
Posts: 11,921
 
Send a message via Skype™ to Mike
Default

Ken, the initial reason for dovetail joints was their locking ability, helping to hold the joint together since glues were difficult to work with and often failed. With modern glues actually being stronger than the wood the need for locking joints has diminished. Dovetail joints are now more a testament to the skill of the woodworker. Box joints are decorative and plenty strong enough for most projects, they are much easier and faster to create. You can create box joints with a table saw but the router set up is much quicker and easier. Having tried different methods I can assure you that BJ is right about the Oak Park jigs. Watch the video on the web site, it gives complete information on the three jigs which sell for about $50. You will be an expert in no time.

Mike
"Living in the D" (this means Detroit!)
"It's fine to disagree with other members as long as you respect their opinions"
Mike is offline  
post #8 of 31 (permalink) Old 10-14-2010, 07:44 AM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Country: United States
First Name: Ken
Posts: 23
 
Default

Thanks Mike & BJ. Since I have decided on a router / fence deal the Oak Park jig looks like the best bet.
sepulchre is offline  
post #9 of 31 (permalink) Old 10-16-2010, 07:43 AM
Registered User
 
dutchman 46's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Country: United States
First Name: Howard
Posts: 2,825
 
Default

I do agree with the Guys, That is My choice as well.

John 3:16

Please fill out your profile, It helps us to know you better
dutchman 46 is offline  
post #10 of 31 (permalink) Old 10-16-2010, 07:57 AM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Country: United States
First Name: Ken
Posts: 23
 
Default

What about HP? I was looking at a 1 3/4 HP Craftsman w/table but it has already sold. There's another one, a Ryobi 1 1/2 HP w/table for only $65 but it's an hour and a half drive (one way) from here.
There's a Skil 2 1/4 HP with both fixed and plunge bases for $77 online. Will any router fit any table?
sepulchre is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Router Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in











Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Quality vs Cheap tools Jennabutala Tools and Woodworking 37 08-15-2016 06:58 AM
A suggestion from Maurice harrysin Woodturning and Lathes 48 12-08-2013 09:16 AM
Which tools for most jobs Bob N Tools and Woodworking 11 02-23-2009 12:04 PM
Some turning tools that I made Mitch12 Woodturning and Lathes 16 11-15-2008 10:29 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome