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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 11-21-2014, 11:20 PM Thread Starter
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Ok so Iím inlaying train track into foam insulation for a Christmas display using a router to cut a dado.

Anyway I have to do it freehand and the dust keeps collecting on the plastic cover obstructing my vision. I keep stopping and cleaning everything, but it only gets worst and needs cleaning in shorter and shorter intervals.

Iím 3/4 of the way done and can only get a few inches at a time now when I was doing about 12 inches at a time at the start.

Iíve never used the dust collector before and donít know if this is normal and if so, is there anything I can do about it.



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Hi Johnny

Your problem is static electricity generated as the cutter rubs against the polystyrene. No amount of dust extraction can overcome that IMHO. You can get hold of anti-static hoses and negative ion generators (air ionisers) but I'm not sure how much use they would be in this instance. You do need to try to dissipate the electrical charge on the plastic some way, though. I know how it's done on industrial CNC routers but that isn't a cheap solution suitable for a home shop

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Trying using something like the laundry product, Static Guard. I have heard that contractors spray their tools with it when cutting Azek.

May work for you as well.
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Thanks Phil and Olliecooper,

I was wondering if it might be a static thing. Iíll have to see if my wife has some sort of static spray because Iíve seen both my wife and daughters spraying stuff on their dresses to keep lint off their dark clothes.

It was just so weird that it was going so well at first. Now that I think about it, there was one big difference from the start to where Iím at now. I was having trouble seeing the black line on the foil because of all the blue print on the foil and about half way through, I decided to cut the foil and peal it off on the inside to add contrast. Now that it is apparent that static is the problem, I wonder if cutting through the foil was actually dissipating the static and upon removing the foil only increased it.

Anyway I woke up in the middle of the night thinking about it and realized that I can make a parallel line out from my edge and use the outside of the router base as a guide instead of trying to see the cutter through the plastic.
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Can you take the clear plastic sight guard off and still route safely ?
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Can you take the clear plastic sight guard off and still route safely ?
Hi smitty, I'm not sure I'm following you because I'll loose all my vacuum suction if I do that. I'm doing this in my living room because its too cold outside and because of the size of it, so I'm trying to not get foam dust all over the house.


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You might try grounding the router to the foil
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You might try grounding the router to the foil
Hmm, that sounds like a good Idea, thanks John
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You could try attaching a grounded wire to the dust collector, or possibly to the plastic port itself. Another option might be to remove the collection device, use clear packing tape to block on side opening and have someone hold the vacuum hose to the side of the router. You'd need to add a strip of clear tape to the inside of the outer tape so you have both sticky sides together so you can still see through and so the foam doesn't stick to the tape. I'd still ground it however.

Amazon has a hot wire cutter that's $ 16 Floracraft NOM212587 The Styro Wonder Cutter, and you can also buy extra hot wire that you can bend to shape Woodland Scenics Hot Wire Replacement Wire 4' WOOST1436. There were other cutters but these were the least expensive. I know that theater shops use hot wire to shape foam.

Sounds like a fun, if messy, project.
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I really like the grounding idea and I have a large flat piece of aluminum to set on the foil surface that will be perfect. I only wish my Wet/Dry Vac wasnít plastic so I could ground it as well. I used to have a metal can but I use it to clean my pond filter and it was rusting away so I got a plastic one.

Thanks for the suggestion Tom, but I have a hot wire cutter, but wow does this router make perfect cuts. This is the 1st time Iíve ever done this and I may never use a hot wire cutter again except for maybe carving mountains.

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