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Default Bosch 1617...WOW...lots of sawdust...

Yesterday I tried out my new 1617 in the table making a towel rack out of red oak. What I noticed is it sprays sawdust under the table (RA1181) like crazy. I had the vacuum in the fence, gap was just bigger than the bit. I moved the vacuum to the space where the dust extraction hood would go under the table and still lots of sawdust. Put the vacuum back up in the fence and widened the gap between the two fences and still lots of chips under the table...lots more than the Triton or the Ridgid.

I'm guessing it needs the hood and the hose connected under the table so I ordered the 1173 dust kit in anticipation that it will work better.

Dust collection is with shop vac and dust deputy...lots of suction with 2 1/4 hoses...note that any more CFM will keep the chips going round n round in the deputy instead of dropping...already tried that...

What are your thoughts or experiences with this...? Hooking to the fence has not failed me with the other routers... I do see a difference in the exhaust on the motor with the directional vanes. Is it throwing the chips outward more because of the vanes...? Do you think I will need to hook dust collection to fence and router...?

Thoughts and experiences, please...

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I had the vacuum in the fence, gap was just bigger than the bit. I moved the vacuum to the space where the dust extraction hood would go under the table and still lots of sawdust. Put the vacuum back up in the fence and widened the gap between the two fences and still lots of chips under the table...lots more than the Triton or the Ridgid.
increase the CFM to the max...
close the fence...
add a 1½'' line to the fence..
install the 2¼" to the box...
''Y'' not ''T'' the two together..
install the router's chip shield and make sure the shield is away ...
fine tune from there with cross airflow gates...


I'm guessing it needs the hood and the hose connected under the table so I ordered the 1173 dust kit in anticipation that it will work better.
purchase the router guide (RA1054) for the '17...
the dust collection that comes w/ it is outstanding...


Dust collection is with shop vac and dust deputy...lots of suction with 2 1/4 hoses...note that any more CFM will keep the chips going round n round in the deputy instead of dropping...already tried that...
make up a vacuum breaker for the deputy...
that can be nothing more than a 1'' hole or larger if need be drilled in the lid and a swing door for break control....


What are your thoughts or experiences with this...? Hooking to the fence has not failed me with the other routers... I do see a difference in the exhaust on the motor with the directional vanes. Is it throwing the chips outward more because of the vanes...? Do you think I will need to hook dust collection to fence and router...?
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Thanks, Stick...

Seems doable re-engineering...and thanks for hose size recommendation...I would have reversed it...

Have the 1054 but was using the table as pieces were small...

Great solution for the vacuum break...will experiment but sounds like 1" will do and in combination with increasing CFM at the table.

When the 1173 comes in will play with that also. Hoods come with small ports so a box is likely in my future. The 1181 is wide open so I may keep the top and put it on a new base. I smell a cabinet coming... :-). The things we do to make our toys happy...

One noticeable point on the 17...the speed control seems much more responsive than the Ridgid with the play pieces I put through it. It caught my ear immediately...

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Hi Nick, I use a product from Keen Products called Dust Router. It fits between the router bit and the router motor and captures at least 80 to 90% of the dust. I have these on all of my table mounted routers. Malcolm / Kentucky USA
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Hi Nick, I use a product from Keen Products called Dust Router. It fits between the router bit and the router motor and captures at least 80 to 90% of the dust. I have these on all of my table mounted routers. Malcolm / Kentucky USA
Malcolm - I'm in the same situation that Nick is. I spend more time cleaning up the dust than making the cuts. I have the same router and router table that Nick has. I've tried to capture the dust with an over/under hose setup that I kludged together similar to the Dust Router, without the silicon cup, but it's failed to capture much of the dust. Since you said you have multiple of the Keen Dust Routers, and they work, I'm assuming (there goes that word again) that the dust cup doesn't interfere with the air flow from the vents at the top of the router that's against the Dust Cup. Does your motor heat up more with the dust cup in place? This looks like a very inexpensive way to solve most of the problem.
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Sounds to me like the Keen unit would interfere with above table bit changing on a Triton TRA001, limiting the upward movement. A reviewer mentioned that problem with a Kreg lift. Any ideas for solution?
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I use a 1617 and have a dust box surrounding the router under the table and also have it Y connected to the fence, I use 4" hose for the router box and 2 1/2" hose for the router fence. Works great.

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I use a 1617 and have a dust box surrounding the router under the table and also have it Y connected to the fence, I use 4" hose for the router box and 2 1/2" hose for the router fence. Works great.
I have the same set up as Greg and I never have a dust problem except for a little dust on the top which I can blow away each time I start a new cut.

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I have the same set up as Greg and I never have a dust problem except for a little dust on the top which I can blow away each time I start a new cut.

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I did the same...

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Certainly the box will take care of half my desire...keeping the dust out of the work area. But I would also like to keep the dust away from the router.

My goal is to capture the dust before it gets underneath.

The culprit seems to be the angled exhaust vanes creating a natural action to spit the chips through any nook and cranny. The other routers exhaust straight up (in the table) and out past the insert and fence. So, if there is sufficient suction at the fence, dust and chips will not drop. The dust port on the router then acts as a supply.

Not sure if it's doable with the Bosch but will experiment when the dust hoods get here in a couple of days...

I may have to round up a bunch of ducks and have them contribute to some tape manufacturing... :-)

My guess is I'm going to try and make the two hose solution work first...then the box with relief holes...

Obviously I'm not the first to deal with this so please keep the experiences flowing...

Much thanks for your responses...Nick

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