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post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old 06-14-2016, 08:47 AM Thread Starter
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I have a Dewalt DW616 (I think, can't get at it right now, but it's a single speed router)
I am going to use a panel raiser bit that has a max speed of 11K and I was planning to get one of the many speed adjusters available, and have 3 questions.
First,do they work well?
Second, any recommendations as to a brand?
Third, and this may be my first choice if possible & affordable, can I install a DW618 switch in single speed Dewalt to replace the simple on/off switch?
I've thought of just buying another router (we always need more tools, right?) but probably can't afford to go that way.
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Most rheostat units reduce voltage to control speed. That is likely to reduce power as well, and larger bits need that power. I had this setup with my first, single speed router. Unsatisfactory performance. Check for a Bosch refurbished unit. Warning, when you get a Bosch 1617 EVSPK kit, you'll wish you'd done it much sooner. One of the truly great tools. Its built in speed control lets you set exact speeds, so you don't have to guess as with a rheostat.

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Panel raising bits require low speed and horsepower and you mention two different router models. The DW616 is too small for panel raising and you will likely kill it trying to use it for panel raising. If you buy a separate speed control for it I think you will kill it even sooner.

A DW618 router has soft start and speed control built in. It is also a more powerful router
at 2 3/4 hp, but it's still on the small side for panel raising with most standard panel raising bits, but it could work well if used with a horizontal panel raising bit. The best way to use a horizontal panel raising bit is to build a special router table where the router is mounted horizontally instead of vertical. Do a Google search for "Horizontal Router Table" to see what they are and how to use them. Horizontal Panel Raising bits come in many styles, just like the vertical bits do. The horizontal tables can be built yourself and plans are available for making them.

For the more common vertical panel raising bits, especially those with back cutters, you should have a bigger router with a built-in speed control. A 3 1/2 hp router would be my choice for this. If making many raised panels you will still give this big router a good work-out, but you won't kill it.

If you have a fairly good table saw you can make simple Shaker Style raised panels with it quite easily. You will need to make a tall sliding fence that fits snugly over your table saw fence that's high enough to clamp your panel-to-be-cut against it. Set the saw blade for approximately a 7 degree angle, and the fence position and blade height so that it cuts the raised panel edge bevel leaving the 1/16 step around the center raised portion of the panel. Try this with scrap until you get the settings that produce the desired results. Then repeat this for all four edges of the raised panel. You will then need to rabbet the back edges of the panel so that the edge of the panel fits into the 1/4" groove in your rails and stiles. The 7 degree slope of the face side will actually help keep the panel centered and tight in groove of the rails and stiles if you get your dimensions right. Practice on scrap until you are happy with the result.

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Here is the router Tom is talking about I am pretty sure. A company called "CPO" sells it and they are top notch. I have bought several tools [new and reconditioned] from them and I have been happy with everyone.

Factory Reconditioned Bosch MRC23EVSK-RT Modular Router System

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That link seems to be broken, Don.
I'm not clear on why the MRC23 isn't more popular(?); Tom was actually referring to the the 1617(EVSPK).
https://www.boschtools.com/ca/en/bos...3evsk-34685-p/
https://www.boschtools.com/ca/en/bos...evspk-27718-p/
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You are right Dan. I think the reason it's not as popular is it doesn't have wood handles. The one I posted by mistake has through the top height adjustment which is very desirable in my opinion. Here is a link to CPO on the one Tom was talking about.

Bosch 1617EVSPK 12 Amp 2.25 HP Combination Plunge and Fixed-Base Router Kit

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It's kind of strange really; a bunch of members have the MRC23 type and seem to love them...can't remember ever having seen a complaint here.
Price point maybe?
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Thanks for the info. The only issue for me using some of the suggestions is that I can't afford another router (either new or refurbished) and a different brand would mean the expense or a new router insert for my table which may not even be available since my table is an older Rockler and the insert dimensions are different than current tables.
How about the idea of using a speed (power) reducer and simply taking smaller bites in each pass.
I'm wondering if I can make it affordable by just buying a Dewalt 618 motor unit since I don't need another base.
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I know there are quite a few members who use speed controls and it seems to me it was through Rockler or MLCS. Grizzly might have them too. I'm not sure if the old potentiometer style is still made. The newer styles change the frequency instead which still gives full power. They can only be used on universal type motors like routers, drillls, etc that don't have capacitor start. They also cannot be used with a router that has soft start or one that already has speed control.

Smaller routers can be used for raised panels but you will need to make multiple passes and be careful not to bog the router down by feeding too fast. When a motor's speed drops it starts using more amperage to try and catch back up and that generates a lot of heat in the windings that can damage them. I prefer to have more horsepower instead.

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That link seems to be broken, Don.
I'm not clear on why the MRC23 isn't more popular(?); Tom was actually referring to the the 1617(EVSPK).
https://www.boschtools.com/ca/en/bos...3evsk-34685-p/
https://www.boschtools.com/ca/en/bos...evspk-27718-p/
very nice routers...
gots lights too...
there is a buss bar connecting the motor to the base which limits travel..
the grips feel uncomfortable to some but if you are sitting and cutting DT or box joints for prolonged periods it is a cat's meow..
the grips limit positions that are comfortable to use the router in...
so fo many the router doesn't ''feel right''
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