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I have thought about that and I am not sure yet. There is one wall that has not gone up and won't for a while. We will just use 3.7 mill plastic for now, For the walls I will put in 4X9' sheet rock (because the ceiling is 9') using screws and not yet taping and toping. This way if I need to get behind a wall I will just remove that sheet.

One reason I am doing it that way is we are going so fast with all this and the money is short. So if we need to make changes down the line we can and then make it more permanent.

Ya the 220V will probable mean setting anouther panel next to the main panel. The important thing to watch there is "taping in before the main". The proper way this is too be done is setting in a 50amp breaker and then running a circuit off of that breaker. This also will require redoing the 200 amp main to make room. What I will probably do is leave enouth wire out side the box so I can re-run the basement circuits to the new breaker box.

Before I hurt my shoulder I was an ICC certified building inspector for one and two family dwellings. However to be sure of all this I would have to get my code book on electrical and review what the codes says but I think I am right. I do remember that you cannot "tap" before the main breaker at the 200 amp main panel. I am sure some electrician will comment here and I will applicate the input. I also know in the second panel the neutral/ground buss must be removed and in the second panel you cannot put a neutral wire in a ground bus nor a ground on the neutral bus. In the main usually they don't but you can with out it violating Code (unless that changed with the 2006 revisions).

Man thanks for the question, You got me thinking some more. Oh yes one more nice feature of the house is the floor trusses for the up stairs are open web 18" trusses so there will be plenty of room up there to do things.

Man you know what I just thought? I can put in a dust abatement system one day totally above ceiling with just the drop downs. I may look into one where the main blower could be out side the house in a protected enclosure thus reducing the noise in the house!! Maybe that will not be good because you could not see any obstruction in the lines. What do y'all think?

This is why I like the forum, you can get suggestions from so many experienced people and as long as I am willing to listen, and I will stay willing, others can get involved and I can even incorporate their advice.

This way you guys out there really do get to have an active roll in my shop. If you have an idea out there suggest away.

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Jerry,good idea to run every other outlet on different circuit. Thats how I set mine up.
I've learned that it's better to wire 1 circuit for 1 area, another circuit for another area, etc. There is no way I want the potential of having 220 volts between 2 outlets right next to each other. I've seen electrical explosions because of that.

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The attached photos show the wiring diagram as I purpose to do it. I need to find out today if I need to put in a new panel---I don't think so'. Some of the circuits will not go in yet, but wait for the next phase.
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Even if you do not need to put in a sub panel it is the way to go. I put one in my basement and one in the shop and boy I am happy I did. If a basement circuit pops running all the way upstairs in the dark was not fun. Now I have a box in the basement right there. Plus it is simpler to wire form a central location in the basement and only run one line to the main box.

Even if the sub panel is right next to the main box it makes things much more organized and may leave room for expansion to. The simplicity in wiring from the sub panel made it worth it for me. I have one sub panel right next to the main box and another sub panel in the basement.

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Even if you do not need to put in a sub panel it is the way to go. I put one in my basement and one in the shop and boy I am happy I did. If a basement circuit pops running all the way upstairs in the dark was not fun. Now I have a box in the basement right there. Plus it is simpler to wire form a central location in the basement and only run one line to the main box.

Even if the sub panel is right next to the main box it makes things much more organized and may leave room for expansion to. The simplicity in wiring from the sub panel made it worth it for me. I have one sub panel right next to the main box and another sub panel in the basement.
There is no doubt that would be the way to go, and I probable do that. It is just know that is more than I can afford. What I will do is leave plenty of slack in the wires going into the main until I can get one in. I did price one over at HD amd it really isn't all that much to do it. Until such time as I put one in, I have to say not now.

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Money is always an issue thats for sure!

In my case the labor to go back to the panel would have caused me to miss two weeks of work so to me it worked out. Plus to meet code I had to run the sub panels if I wanted it to pass inspection.

Either way you are going to have a nice setup!
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Money is always an issue thats for sure!

In my case the labor to go back to the panel would have caused me to miss two weeks of work so to me it worked out. Plus to meet code I had to run the sub panels if I wanted it to pass inspection.

Either way you are going to have a nice setup!
Yes my panel is in the down garage right next to the space. The panel is a 200amp and has 5 open slots that would accommodate 5 double 20amp breakers now when I make any other changes I will have to set anouther panel right next to the existing and then it will be different. I do not intend to sheet rock the hall so I will have access to the back of the panel until I do.

I started the rough-in today and will have the first three circuits ready shortly, once that is done I'll get the sheet rock for those areas and get it in so I can finish moving the cabinets from up to down. and set the peg board so I can get somewhat organized!! Sure is a lot of work, but a kind of fun work if you know what I mean.

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First two sheets, well one and a half, went up last night and will get more today. I sure see why I am into woodworking and not sheet rocking!! Hope to have it all in by Friday or Monday for sure. I will post a pic this evening when I have more up. I rally want to get the cabinets and pegboard in before the 19th, going in for cataract surgery on the left eye than four weeks later the right and then sometime later to correct double vision. I will probably be out of pocket for a while as far as the shop is concerned.

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Latest pics, I know its not exciting but has to be done. place sure is a mess, dust all over, and not wood type dust but sheet rock dust.
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Actually that is exciting!

You must be very happy with yourself and isn't it great showing the wife that you are valuable after all!

Looks like someone will be slinging mud soon!

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